2774 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



you were engaged in business ? A. We had four that went into the bay 

 principally. 



Q. Did you go with them yourself? A. No. 



Q. Did you send captains ? A. Yes. 



Q. And were these captains part owners with you ? A. Yes. 



Q. Do you know where those vessels fished ? A. I could not tell. 



Q. You do not know whether they fished inshore or not ? A. No. 



Q. Did you never inquire? Did they do a good business? A. No; 

 they did not do much. 



Q. Did they get the same average catches which you obtained from 

 1851 to 1853 ? A. Some years they did and some years they did not. 



Q. Were the prices of mackerel then very low ? A. No ; they were 

 fair. 



Q. Did those vessels in which you went into the bay in 1851, 1852, 

 and 1853 make money ? A. No. 



Q. Did they lose ? A. I do not think that they made anything. 



Q. Will you tell me how it was that with the full knowledge which 

 you had of the fishing business in the bay it being either a losing 

 business or one in which you did not make money you were tempted 

 to go into the business of sending vessels to the bay; you had had 

 personal experience that the fisheries in the bay were good for noth- 

 ing ? A. I had heard that a good many vessels had made money in the 

 fishing business, and I went into it with the intention of making money, 

 but I found that I was mistaken. 



Q. You had heard that a good many vessels went into the bay and 

 made money ? A. Yes, some. 



Q. Although your experience personally was entirely against it ! 

 A. Yes. 



Q. In 1851, when you made two trips and caught 300 and 325 barrels, 

 what was the size of the vessel ? A. I think about 80 tons. 



Q. What would be a full fare ? A. 300 or 325 barrels. 



Q. When you made those two trips, did you go both times back to 

 Gloucester? A. Yes. 



Q. And you got full fares on both occasions ? A. Yes. 



Q. In 1852, when you got 350 barrels, was it the same vessel t A. 

 Yes. 



Q. That was a full fare ? A. Yes. 



Q. You told me a full fare was 325 barrels ? A. We carried some on 

 deck. 



Q. Did you fish in 1853 ? A. Yes. 



Q. What was your fare then ? A. 180 barrels. 



Q. The same vessel ! A. No. 



Q. What tonnage was the vessel ? A. About the same tonnage, I 

 think. Her name was Vienna. 



Q. You did not get a full fare ? A. No. 



Q. On that occasion you swear you only fished on Bradley and Orphan 

 Banks ? A. On the first year I swear that. 



Q. [ speak of the last year, when you caught 182 barrels ? A. I do. 



Q. That was not a full fare ? A. No. 



Q. What time did you leave the bay ? A. 1 think about the 1st No- 

 vember. 



Q. What time did you go into the bay? A. In July. 



Q. Though you only got 180 barrels, which was not a full fare by 120, 

 barrels, you never, during the whole time, went inshore at all ? A. We 

 went inshore. 



Q. Did you go inshore ? A. We tried inshore. 



