AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 2879 



Mr. THOMSON. This is a survey by Andrew P. F. Sbortland, assisted 

 by Lieutenant Scott and others. It is one of the admiralty charts. 



Mr. TBESCOT. What is the date? 



Mr. THOMSON. It is 1855. 



Mr. FOSTER. We have one corrected from the latest surveys, in 1876. 



Mr. THOMSON. The soundings will not have changed since then. 



Mr. FOSTER. They may have been more correctly taken, though. 

 By Mr. Thomson : 



Q. Here is Green Island, where that man said he lived ; here are, 

 within two miles of the land, soundings running up to 14, 17, and 18 

 fathoms; and here, within halt' a mile, is a depth of 10 fathoms. All 

 these are in the very place where the witness said he saw the vessels 

 fishing. He gives the bearings about southwest by west. Now, you 

 have sworn that it was impossible for this man to see these vessels, 

 which he swore were one and a half miles and two miles away from him. 

 You don't undertake to say, now that I have shown you the distance 

 from Green Island you don't undertake to ssiy that from, that distance 

 he would fail to see them if they were fishing there f A. I say this, 

 there was never that many to be seen. 



Q. Although you were not there, you undertake to say " that man 

 never saw them " ? A. I have been around the ground. I have been 

 about the place enough to know whether there was that many there. 



Q. Now, have you followed the business! A. I followed it from the 

 1st April to the middle of November. 



Q. And you have taken soundings. I thought you told me just now 

 you didn't fish there ? A. I know there was not that many fishermen 

 ever in the business. I am perfectly satisfied of it. 



Q. How long since you were there last? A. Seven years ago this 

 season. 



Q. Of course, you are aware that Smith was speaking of the last year 

 or two, while you hadn't been there for eleven years? A. Why I 

 spoke 



Q. I don't want to know your reasons ; I ask simply whether you 

 know that Smith was speaking of what happened a year or two ago, 

 while you admit you never were there for the last eleven years ? A. I 

 know I was not there. 



Q. And you knew Smith was speaking of what took place a year or 

 two ago? A. I know there is not that many in the business. I sup- 

 posed he was speaking of what was transacted in the fishing business. 



Q. Did you suppose he was speaking of what was within a year or 

 two ago? A. No; I understood that he had been speaking of what 

 happened to and fro for years. 

 By Mr. Trescot : 



Q. Just explain that. You are asked whether you understood that 

 Smith was speaking of what he had seen in 1874 and 1875, and whether 

 you denied that he saw those vessels there then, or whether you sup- 

 posed he was referring to the fishing generally? A. That is what I 

 referred to. I supposed he referred to what had been transacted in 

 business for years to and fro. 



No. 73. 



CHARLES H. PEW, of Gloucester, Mass., called on behalf of the Gov- 

 ernment of the United States, sworn and examined. 



By Mr. Foster : 

 Question. You were born in Gloucester ? Answer. Yes. 



