2898 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



does not show what you got for them ? A. I do not know that it does> 



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whether tl? u ^ ee ^ an y satisfaction in drawing the distinction between 

 mostly all * ^ u tuat case au< ^ as dealers, do so. A. There is a marked 

 v.p ^-nciioii between these two positions. 



Q. Is the packing out included in this statement ? A. Xo. 



Q. How could it come out if this is the valuation which you settled 

 with the men ; I understand that this does not represent in the slightest 

 degree what you got for the fish, but that it represents the fixed figures 

 at which you settled with the crews, and does not embrace the packing 

 out at all, or what you got for the fish ; am I right in making that as- 

 sumption ? A. Xo ; it is an assumption, just as you say. 



Q. Then I am right in it ? A. It is an assumption, because you say 

 it is the price of settlement. 



Q. Am I right in saying that yon settled with the crew at that price ? 

 A. Yes ; of course. 



Q. Where, then, am I wrong in that assumption ? A. Yon say that 

 is the price which we would fix, and at which we would settle with the 

 crew, without regard to anything we got; and I say, in that respect, it 

 would not have any regard to what we got in our separate business, as 

 dealers and retailers; it relates to the packing of the trip, the selling 

 of it wholesale, and the paying of the crew, the highest wholesale price 

 which the fish would bring at time, if sold to anybody, per trip. We 

 then take the trip and sell it at the price which would be brought by 

 the disposal of it in small packages to different parties iu the retail 

 trade ; this is a separate business. 



Q. This represents, of course, the price at which you settled with the 

 crew for the mackerel ? A. Yes. 



Q. And it is not the price at which you sold the mackerel in the mar- 

 ket ? A. ~Sot as a retailer or dealer. 



Q. As Pew & Sous, carrying on the fishing business iu Gloucester, this 

 does not represent the money received for mackerel when sold ? A. As 

 dealers, no; there is a distinction between the two positions. You 

 judge it as if we settled with the crew at oue price and obtained another 

 price, thereby acting dishonestly. 



Q. Xot at all. A. It would be so understood. 



Q. Where would the dishonesty lie ? A. You say that this is the 

 price you fixed and at which you settled with the crew, without regard 

 to the price you got ; and unless that was explained the men would say 

 we did not obtain the price we ought to have secured ; and I want the 

 matter set right. 



Q. Some of these are mere estimates ? A. They are actual figures. 



Q. Some of them are mere estimates ? A. Only one of them is an 

 estimate on the different numbers ; the aggregate number is correct. 



Q. Can you tell me the length of time each of these vessels was in 

 the bay, and their length of time in the shore-fishing ? A. Well, the 

 average 



Q. Hold ; I do not want the average ; you have given a list of ves- 

 sels, 5 in number, which in 1870 were in the bay, and of 8, which were 

 the same year h'shiug on your shore, and I desire to ascertain the exact 

 time which was spent by these 8 vessels on your shore ? A. It would 

 be about the same about 4 months. 



Q. You say generally, about ; was the time occupied in the bay about 

 the same as was the case on your shore f A. Certainly. 



Q. What was the tonnage of these 8, compared with these 5 ves- 

 sels ? rA. It was about the same ; they were, perhaps, the same ves- 



