AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 2917 



during that season the fishery was carried on inside or outside of the 

 three-mile limit f A. They fished I understood, as far as I could have 

 any information on the subject, principally at the Magdalen Islands, 

 and in the fall, off shore ; and they did not succeed in getting fish early 

 in the year. 



Q. During that year, as far as you could learn, this vessel was engaged 

 fishing at the Magdalen Islands and off shore at other places ? A. I 

 state that these vessels went with seines in the gulf where they were 

 successful the year before ; but they then failed to procure their fare 

 there and they abandoned their seines ; but during the autumn they 

 succeeded in getting the quantity which I gave. 



Q. I am speaking of 1858 altogether ; how many barrels did your ves- 

 sel catch that year? A. I have stated that one vessel took 273 barrels, 

 another 270, and the third about 47 ; these are the approximate quanti- 

 ties as near as I could get them. 



Q. Did you seek information regarding the 'vessel which caught the 

 47 barrels, from the captain, as to where they had fished ? A. Yes ; 

 all these vessels were to go and fish on the north shore of the gulf 

 this was the intention where one of the captains had succeeded in 

 securing a cargo the year before. 



Q. Where did the captain of the vessel which caught the 47 barrels 

 tell you he fished ? A. In the St. Lawrence, near the mouth, on the 

 north shore. 



Q. Was that north of Anticosti ? A. Yes; and west of Anticosti, in 

 the vicinity of Seven Islands, and to the west of it, up to the places 

 called St. Nicholas and Godbout. 



Q. That is where they fished and failed? A. That is where all three. 

 vessels went early in the season for the purpose of seining mackerel. 



Q. And they all fished there ? A. They all went there early in the 

 season. 



Q. Were you informed as to whether they fished inshore or not ? 

 A. No; they went there to seine. 



Q. That is where they fished ? A. That is were they attempted td 

 fish, but did not succeed in getting mackerel during the summer with 

 seines. 



Q. You stated that two of them fished on the Newfoundland coast and 

 at the Magdalen Islands? A. On their return, after having abandoned 

 their herring voyages, I was informed that they had gone down the coast 

 of Newfoundland to Anticosti and the Magdalen Islands. 



Q. For mackerel ? A. Yes. 



Q. That is were they fished? A. Yes; as I am informed. 



Q. In 1858, you had no vessels engaged in the mackerel fishery ? A. 

 In 1858, I had three vessels so engaged. 



Q. In 1858, you were yourself engaged in shipping potatoes and oats 

 from P. E. Island ? A. In 1858, I went there and made some arrange- 

 ments for loading these three vessels in the fall with produce. 



Q. Then, in 1862, you went to take charge of a fishing stage at Rus- 

 tico? A. Yes. 



Q. So that was your first personal experience in the mackerel fish- 

 ery! A. That was my first experience in the boat fishery. ' 



Q. Were you personally engaged in the fisheries previously to that? 

 A. I never personally went fishing. 



Q. You have had no personal experience in fishing yourself? A. No, 

 not at all ; 1 have never been a practical fisherman. 



Q. You never even had so much personal experience in connection 



