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there ? A. It mostly goes to Boston and New York. This year I think 

 that it nearly all has gone there. 



Q. How do they get to Boston and New York ? A. Vessels owned 

 at the island are employed in this trade. I think that four vessels 

 owned there are constantly running to those points, and occasionally a 

 vessel is chartered in this trade. 



Q. What sort of a trade, in the way of smoked herring, is done 

 between Eastport and Grand Manan ? A. Small vessels and little ves- 

 sels run over there from that place occasionally; and some of the 

 smaller fishermen, perhaps, take their fish over in small boats. 



Q. You know something about Eastport and its neighborhood ? 

 A. Yes; I ran a packet there for four years. 



Q. Do you know of any body of people Americans living along 

 that coast, which depend for their livelihood on fishing in British waters ? 

 A. No ; not to depend on fishing in British waters ; I do not. 



Q. Have you been able to form anything like an estimate which you 

 think is a just one concerning the value of the whole Grand Manan 

 herring fishery, including the hake and pollack fisheries ? A. I should 

 know this pretty well, as I am among the fishermen constantly. 



By Mr. Thomson : 



Q. What is that paper which you have now in your hand ? A. It 

 contains some notes which I have taken down. 



Q. From where ? A. For Grand Manan. 



Q. From what? A. They concern the quantity offish taken there.' 



Q. What did you take them from ? A. My own observation, and 

 from the amount of fish shipped, and the quantity of hake sounds taken. 



Q. When did you make them up ? A. Since I came here. 

 By Mr. Trescot : 



Q. Can you make your statement without using this paper ? A. Yes. 

 There are about 10,000 quintals of hake taken, and about 8,000 quintals 

 of codfish ; about 400,000 boxes of herring are smoked on the average ; 

 about $17,000 worth of frozen herring are shipped in winter ; about 4,000 

 barrels of pickled herring this is a large estimate are shipped ; and 

 the catch of herring which are sold for bait, and other kinds of fish, 

 such as lobsters, haddock, and pollack, &c., would aggregate in value 

 probably to $10,000. 



Q. To the best of your judgment, what do you think that the Grand 

 Manan fisheries are worth annually ! A. Well, to the natives alone ? 



Q. Yes. A. I should say that $150,000 a year would be a large esti- 

 mate for the native fisheries. 



Q. Do you know anything about the fisheries prosecuted on Campo- 

 hello and Deer Islands and from thence to the main-land, and from Le- 

 tite to Lapreau I A. Of course I am not so intimately acquainted with 

 this fishery as with the Grand Manan fishery ; but I should say that 

 the Campobello and Deer Island fishery would probably equal ours in 

 value, and the fishery on the north shore, say from Letite to St. An- 

 drew's, would probably come to something near the same sum. 



Q. Suppose I were to tell yon that in this fishery, from Letite and Le- 

 prean on the mainland, and over at Grand Manan, there were caught 

 annually fish valued at $1,500,000 by British fishermen, and fish valued at 

 $1,500,000 by American fishermen, all in British waters, would you 

 think that it would be a correct statement ? A. No ; I would not. 



Q. Have you any idea that such a thing could be true ? A. I think 

 that the man who made that statement must have been mistaken. 



Q. Do you know anything about Gloucester vessels coining down 



