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in your opinion, the value of the catch of the fisheries of Grand Manan Island only 

 aniouuted to $50,000 or at the most to $60,000 f A. $500,000 I meant ; did I say $50,000 ? 

 If I did, that was a slip of the tongue, and if I said $60,000 I meant $600,000. 



M. That is the annual proceeds of the Grand Manan fisheries? A. No; the value 

 of the hake-sounds is yet to be^cousidered. 



He puts it down at $500,000 without the hake sounds. You think 

 that is quite wild ? A. I think you must have confused him. 



(,>. No. This was Mr. Trescot examining him ? A. I think his head 

 was not clear. 



Q. He was entirely wrong about that I A. I think the statement was 

 wild when he says $500,000 or 8600,000. 



Mr. TRESCOT. Didn't he try afterward to give the items and find that 

 he could not bring them over $160,000 ? 



Mr. THOMSON. Did you bring this gentleman to show that Lakemau 

 was entirely wrong I 



Q. Then you say you catch $200 worth in the coarse of a year ? Do 

 you buy any ? A. 1 am not engaged in buying at present. I have 

 bought. 



Q. How long since you were last engaged in baying? A. When I 

 was running a packet I bought more or less. 



Q. For the purpose of cooking in your vessel ? A. No ; to sell again. 



Q. How many would you buy ? A. I never kept any minutes of what 

 I bought or sold. I don't know what bearing it has on this subject. 



Q. Just this. That you were pleased to state in answer to Mr. Trescot 

 that you engaged in buying and selling. I want to see to what extent 

 you bought and sold. You got two or three barrels of fish and sold 

 them at St. Andrew's ? A. No; we sold them at Eastport. It would 

 glut the market at St. Andrew's. 



Q. Do you make the statement that two or three barrels would glut 

 the market at St. Andrew's T That is a town of 3,000 or 4,000 inhab- 

 itants, and yet you say it would glut the market ? A. I say we sold 

 them at Eastport. 



Q. How many did you sell ? A. I never kept any record of what I 

 sold. 



Q. Can you swear to 50 barrels ? A. I can't swear to any particular 

 quantity. 



Q. Will you swear you sold as many as 50 ? A. I will swear I have 

 sold as many as that. 



Q. And what did you catch those herring for, those you fished your- 

 self? A. I caught them to sell. 



Q. When you say you fished in winter, did you make a business of 

 it! A. We went fishing in winter. 



Q. You say " we." Are you speaking of yourself personally ? A. 

 We generally fish in company there; two or three boats fishing. 



Q. And your share amounted to $200, probably, a year, and with this 

 experience you come and say that the fishery is only worth $150,000, 

 and that you have lived 'there 34 years, and yet during all that time 

 you never saw an American vessel fishing around Grand Manan. A. I 

 said a Gloucester vessel. 



Q. I put the question to you whether you had seen an American ves- 

 sel. 



Mr. DANA. And every time he answered he confined his answer to 

 Gloucester vessels. 



By Mr. Thomson : 



Q. You told me in so many words that during that whole time no 

 American vessel fished within the limits, and that you never heard ^of 

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