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Q. I see that some vessels iu the first part of the list are charged as if 

 made to the Bay of Cbaleurs ; are you aware that formerly the Bay of 

 St. Lawrence was called the Bay of Chaleurs ? A. Yes. 



Q. When it speaks of the Bay of Chaleurs, I suppose that somewhere 

 iu the gulf is meant? A. Yes. 



(>. This list embraces Newfoundland too? A. Yes. 



Q. And the Banks ? A. If on the Banks, I suppose, offshore here. 

 1 think that all the places are designated as nearly correct as possible. 



Q. Are they all fishing, or are some trading vessels? A. I think 

 that they are about all fishing-vessels. 



Q. The lost vessels, Alexandria and Queen of Clippers, are charged 

 for 1858 to Newfoundland ; are you aware whether any fishing-vessels- 

 then went to Newfoundland? A. In 1858? 



Q. Yes. A. O, yes; I think they did. I think that the Newfound- 

 laud frozen-herring business has been pursued for some time in Ameri- 

 can vessels. 



Q. You do not accurately remember the first year when they went 

 there? A. No. The statement simply covers, as far as my memory is 

 concerned, my own term of office. I was away previous to that time. 



Q. Is there an entry in your books giving, for instance, the value of 

 this vessel, the Alexandria, lost in 1858 at Newfoundland? A. I pre- 

 sume so, from the report made by the clerk to me ; that paper was pre- 

 pared in the same manner as was the case with these other papers. 



Q. Do you know what the total number is when added up is it 105?, 

 A. I think it is about 105. 



Q. Down to the end of 1875, 101 vessels were lost in the Gulf of St. 

 Lawrence and Newfoundland fisheries, according to your return ? A. 

 And on the coast of Nova Scotia, I suppose. 



Q. This return embraces all the British provinces? A. Yes. 



Q. Of course they may have been lost on their way up from Glouces- 

 ter? A. Yes; I cannot say as to that. 



Q. I find in Procter's book concerning the fisheries of Gloucester,, 

 which has been quoted here so frequently, a table giving the losses ot 

 fishing- vessels from 1830 to 1875 inclusive, the total number being 333 ves- 

 sels; and the difference between your return and this return would 

 represent vessels lost in fisheries other than those mentioned in your 

 return ? A. Of course. 



Q. One hundred aud one during this period were lost in our fisheries, 

 and 232 in yours? A. I would say that most of those statistics are 

 made up from our office. 



Q. Have you made up a statement to show the percentage of loss ? 

 My attention is called to a statement written at the foot ot this compi- 

 lation, in which you say, "Said vessels were mostly engaged in the Bay 

 of St. Lawrence fisheries, " Then evidently some of these vessels were 

 not engaged in those fisheries? A. Most certainly. 



Q. They were traders probably? A. They were engaged in other 

 fisheries probably ; they might have been engaged in the Bank fishery 

 and still have been lost on the coast of Nova Scotia. 



Q. There is also added, "And in the immediate neighborhood of the 

 British provinces"? A. You are to understand that our vessels fish 

 off the British provinces, and their losses are reported to us by their 

 owners for the different points wherever the vessel may have been lost, 

 as nearly as can be ascertained. I suppose that is the idea which they 

 wish to convey. 



Q. When you wrote " were mostly engaged," you had iu your mind 

 the idea that some of them were engaged in other pursuits than those 



