May 8, 1902. 



AMERICAN BEE JOUPNAL 



293 



Mr. Dunn— I iiuivn, as tim scnso of this <',onv('ntloM. tlmt 

 Mr. .loncs iuid his iissistaril.s he, rcqiicslcil lo stiitc tlii' l:ii't,s, 

 tlKarutli, ;iii(l riotliiiif; but tile triitli, for piibllcatioii luiil cor- 

 roctioM. .Mr. .loiios can't tiil<o cogiiizain'O of anythiiiK liiiit 

 tiiUrs piano ill tho nowapapc^rs, but wo want an aiilhoiitic- ri',- 

 port from liiiii lliat tlioso stalonicnts aro IncHirroct so far as 

 thoy go. Ho slioiii<i (five it ciirrc^ncv ali ovor this Stato. Wo 

 oniy want liini to Rive us tln^ trntli. I-ct liini state what aro 

 tlio facts. Let liini spcsitc l)roailiy wliat is puro honey, 'livo 

 tlio public to undorstaml what pure lionoy is. I move, as llui 

 sense of lliis meet, that wo rci(iiost Mr. .loncs on bohalf of tlie 

 honest moil interested in hoiioy-prodiiction to stato tho hr(]ad 

 facts for tile information of the pniiiic. 



Dr. Miiior— Whilst I said what I did, I believe 1 am op- 

 posed to that motion, as I belii^ve Mr. .lonos Is a Rentleman, 

 and 1 liellove it isn't necessary. I believe wo will get tlio 

 right thing. Mr. .Jones wants, I lielim-e. to do what is ri};ht in 

 tliis matter, if it were necessary to call his attoiilion to it. Ho 

 knows of it. Tlio tiling is fnlly l<nown, and if he needs any 

 instruction upon it, it is simply to tell liim this : Here we liavc 

 been for years otVcriiig premiums for the whitest and bi^st 

 honoy tliiit can be produced, and then you come in and tell 

 us it is adulterated. I don't think it is necessary to pass that 

 motion. I believe I would rather let him do something on his 

 own iiook. 



Mr. Dunn — I want to give him some reason for it. We 

 ask him as an organization, to state the facts for tho public. 



Mr. Moore — Om^ thing mentioned in Mr. Patterson's ad- 

 dress seems to me ought to be further taken up. This quos- 

 tion of' adulterating comb honey will not down. There is no 

 such thing as artilicial comb honey. It is impossible. It was 

 put in this way, as to the question of glucose being carried 

 into the combs by the bees. That I understand cannot Ije 

 done. It is impossible and impracticable. Mr. Grabbe, one of 

 the best known bee-keepers, said he was hired to make comb 

 honey out of glucose and other materials, and he made other 

 experiments on 300 colonies of bees, and the result was their 

 entire death and destruction— poisoning by the glucose, lack 

 of sweetness, or lack of food for the bees. I am satisfied my- 

 self tliat it cannot be made a success, whether it is made one 

 way or the other, by the aid of tho bee or not. I am perfectly 

 clear, and I think" the Pure Food Commissioners ought to 

 know that artificial comb honey is out of the question alto- 

 gether. Comb foundation is an article of industry : tons of it 

 are made and sold by some of our best. known bee-men. Some 

 think if you can make comb foundation you can make the 

 complete comb. It simply boiled down to this : It cannot be 

 done ; it isn't done. One man might go to work and make 

 something that would be a sort of counterfeit, and that which 

 is done and found in the market is altogether a farce. 



Mr. Dunn — We are speaking fOr the State of Illinois and 

 county of Cook, and we have a right to speak by the organiza- 

 tion en masse, because they will require Mr. Jones to reply. I 

 want something practical, and I want the response as coming 

 at the call of this Association, that he shall put in black and 

 white what is the truth. 



Mr. Moore — At the time Mr. Jones was before our Asso- 

 ciation, a year or so ago, he was heartily in favor of all our 

 work, andcalled upon us to co-operate with him, and it seems to 

 me that this is a little in the light of " Yon don't know your 

 business." I am afraid it won't be taken well. 



Prof. Eaton— (Chemist of the Pure Food Commission)— It 

 will only he. about half a month before our report is out cover- 

 ing the work of the entire year in which every sample of honey 

 we have taken in the market will be reported on, and full 

 analysis given of pure and adulterated, and at that time I wili 

 probably give a resume of the work of both this year and pre- 

 vious years, and the work done for the Chicago Bee-Keepers' 

 Association, or rather, the National Association. Most of you 

 know that Mr. Jom^s will be only too viilling- to do anything in 

 his power to correct the wrong idea that has gone out through 

 the newspaper interview. These newspaper reports are uot 

 very accurate. 



Pres. York — There are some reporters in the room, and 

 they will please take notice of what is being said ! 



Prof. Eaton — It would be a hardship on anybody, to be 

 held strictly responsible for everything a newspaper reporter 

 says. To be called to task in this way would not 

 be very pleasant, and I hardly think it is due Mr. 

 Jones, particularly considering what he has done for the bi'O- 

 keepers' association, and the interest he has always taken in 

 pure houey. I have no doubt at all that if you go to him in 

 an official capacity and present the matter to him that he will 

 take every step he can to correct this matter. 



Mr. Dunn — 1 trust that no gentleman in this audience will 

 suppose that I want to reflect on the Commissioner. Mr. Jones 

 has'allowed this thing to go uncontradicted. It is the duty of 



this Association lo bring that to his iiotlco. It is the duty of 

 this organization to report, and they should appoint a coniniit- 

 toe to day to answer that article also, f-et It go forth from 

 this Association also that no one wants to relleia on .Mr. .loiies. 

 On the contrary, I feed fric^ndly Inward him. They must not, 

 be so thin-skinned as to take offense. 



Mr. Horstmann— My Idea was to no at Mr. Jones a little 

 easy. I beiii've if we left It In thi^ hands of Dr. .Miller It would 

 be settled. I have I'very conlidonce In Dr. Miller settling It 

 to the entire satisfaction of us all. 



It was moved and seconded that the whole matter be In- 

 definitely postjioned. 



Pros. York— I have no doubt th<? representatives of the 

 Commissioner who are here will report this all right. It may 

 have the desired effect, anyway. 



IMr.Dadant— I would like to speak to Prof. Eaton, the chem- 

 ist. When there is any adulteration we want to prove it. We 

 don't want our friends to hurl us in their names, when it Is said 

 here: "Commissioner .lones says it is comparatively easy for 

 a purchaser to detect the imposition. ' (Jenuine honey,' he 

 declared, 'has brown coloring around the cells, (ilucose 

 honey is perfectly white. The purchaser can delect the fraud 

 by this simple rule.'" If he did say it, lie certainly will correct 

 it. We want lo warn him of the mistake of Prof. Wili-v, of 

 the United State Chemistry Department, who did us the great- 

 est harm .in the invention "of the story that people could make 

 comb, put the honey in it, and seal' it over. He called It •' a 

 scientific pleasantry." But it prevented the sale of pure 

 honey. Since the story was invented and reported all over 

 the United States, hundred of persons have come to our comb- 

 foundation factory and asked to see the honey put into cells 

 and sealed over. 'Of course they go home very much disap- 

 pointed. We make comb foundation and want to make it as 

 near to the bee-comb as we can. I have told a great many 

 people, something that has not come to the thought of many 

 of you— an answer for you to give to those who say comb honey 

 is manufactured. In this age of progress you don't know 

 what they will invent to morrow. There are no two leaves in 

 the woods that are alike, and no two comlisof honey are alike, 

 but if man made coml) they would be alike. Y'ou might have 

 two or three different patterns, but they would be alike. Re- 

 member that, and tell it to your friends who say you can manu- 

 facture comb honey. 



Mr. Dunn — I move you now as the sense of this meeting 

 that we ask the Legislature, through our representatives all 

 over the State, to furnish the additional help required by 

 these gentlemen— one inspector for each congressional dis- 

 trict. 



Dr. Miller— I would like to ask, either Mr. Patterson or 

 Prof. Eaton, whether that, in their judgment, is a desirable 

 thing. 



Prof. Eaton— Well, I don't know but what it might be a 

 desirable thing if the other branches of the department were 

 placed on an equality with the inspection. If you expect to 

 keep as many inspectors as that busy, you will have to get 

 more than one chemist. 



Mr. Dunn — I move we amend the motion by adding addi- 

 tional chemists. 



Dr. Miller— Then I would like to ask this question, in 

 order that we move intelligently, because the Pure Food Com- 

 mission understand this more fully than any of us. I would 

 like to know whether Prof. Eaton can give us the view of the 

 Commission as to the desirability of having these. 



Prof. Eaton— I have not talked with Commissioner Jones 

 upon the matter. Y'ou heard what Mr. Patterson had to say 

 as assistant commissioner. I would say there is no State in 

 the Union that has more inspectors than the State of Illinois. 

 Minnesota has but six. Wisconsin but two or three, and one 

 of those in the dairy department alone ; New Y'ork has vine- 

 gar inspectors but not more than six all told. In fact, six in- 

 spectors i? the largest number in the food commission to my 

 knowledge in any State. Six inspectors, if they inspect noth- 

 ing but food all the time, and doing nothing else but buying 

 samples for analysis, could keep many more than that number 

 of chemists busy, because it takes much less time to buy sam- 

 ple of food than it does to analyze them. Those are my own 

 views. I can't speak for Commissioner Jones. Inspectors can 

 do other things. They act as detectives. They can visit 

 creameries and apiaries". It may be that more inspectors than 

 six would be desirable. 



Dr. Miller— That being the fact, and I suppose it is, that 

 Illinois is up to all other States in their force ? 



Prof. Eaton— We haven't as many chemists, but we have 

 as many inspectors as any other State. 



Dr. Miller— There is then just this little danger in the 

 matter. While it might be a very desirable thing to have 



