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ticular g'oods to the trade. There might be such a case in 

 handling honey, where both sides would want it : the same 

 thing applies to the Diston saw ; any dealer in hardware 

 would be glad to have the stamp of " Diston " on their saw 

 goods, because the}' will sell better for it. It is a matter of 

 mutual understanding. I think it must be conceded, that if 

 any man wants his name on his goods, it ought to be on, 

 and if any one does not want to handle it, he doesn't need 

 to do it. I have some doubt about the propriety of having 

 commission men, or any dealer, scratch off the name from 

 the cases; I very much doubt the rightfulness of that. Then 

 there is that matter of prejudice which has been spoken of 

 here. It is a poor rule that won't work both ways. The 

 very fact that people are prejudiced might work good for 

 the producer as well as it might work harm. A person is 

 prejudiced in favor of a certain kind of honey, so he buys 

 it. It works both ways, but I very much doubt whether you 

 will settle the question here ; people will do as they please, 

 and every one of you who produce honey, if you want j'our 

 name on it, you have a right to put it on. 



Mr. Moore — There is one thing that occurred to me. I 

 am actually spending five cents a pound in expenses and 

 advertising, to put honey on the market; that entitles me 

 to have my name printed on every pound of- honey I sell. 

 My customer wants uniformity. If I give him, this time, 

 honey that Mr. Baldridge produces, the next time Dr. Mil- 

 ler's, then honey that Mr. York or Mr. Dadant produces, 

 there is a lack of uniformity, and he will think right off : " If 

 this man gets his honey from Dadant, and Baldridge, and 

 York, and some one else another time, I don't want it ; " 

 whereas, if it all comes with Moore's name on it, the uni- 

 formity will strike him and help sell the honey. 



Dr. Miller — If Mr. Moore has a customer, and he sells to 

 that customer some honey that he likes very well, and it has 

 my brand on it, the person may find out that he likes my 

 honey best, and he will buy his honey from me, or whoever 

 produces it : Mr. Moore will lose his sale. There is a ques- 

 tion whether I would gain in that instance. He is working 

 and spending five cents a pound to make his market — oug-ht 

 he not to get the benefit of it rather than I? We must look 

 at both sides. Looking at it from my side, I might say, " I 

 don't care ; I want to get the credit for it ; " but if I want to 

 be entirely honest, he ought to have some reward, if he is 

 • expending money to build up his trade. 



Mr. Horstmann — If I sell my honey to Mr. Moore, Mr. 

 Moore will sell that as Moore's honey. He is responsible to 

 his customers for that honey, and I am not responsible to 

 his customers, only to Mr. Moore; so I think it is perfectly 

 right, if the buyer wants the name left off, he should have 

 it left off. If any man buys honey from me. I don't care 

 whether my name is on or not ; if he doesn't want it on, 1 

 won't put it on. If j-ou insist on putting your name on it, 

 it will lose you lots of customers. If I were buying honey, 

 I could get all 1 wanted without any name on it ; and if 

 some one selling me honey wanted to have his name on it, 

 and insisted on its being on, I would buy from somebody 

 else. 



Dr. Miller — I move that we allow every bee-keeper to do 

 as he pleases. 



Mr. Stowe — I believe as Dr. Miller does on several 

 points. I sat in the grocery-store last evening, and a man 

 came in and said: "Have you any of Stowe's honey on 

 hand ? " I was standing there, but he did not recognize 

 me. The grocer said : " Yes, I have it ; it has his name on 

 it." Then the man said, "I want some ; I know it is pure ; 

 I bought some in Chicago a few days ago, and my folks 

 didn't like it at all, so I want some of Stove's — some that is 

 pure." My name on that honey was a recommendation for 

 it ; but if I were going to ship honey to Mr. Burnett, I 

 would leave off the name. 



Pres. York — I should like to know what right Mr. Stowe 

 has to put /lis name on it, when his zct'/e is the bee-keeper I 



Mr. Stowe — It is an old stamp— it didn't have " Mrs." 

 on it. [Laughter.] 



(To be continued.) 



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Contributed Articles. 



Does Getting Bees Started in the Brood>Nest 

 Seriously Interfere Hith Starting in Supers. 



BY DR. C. C. MILLER. 



ON page 311, Mr. Doolittle asks me to tell the reasons for 

 mj- unbelief in the statement "that allowing bees to 

 get started storing in the brood-nest seriouslj' interferes 

 with their storing in supers." I am very glad to reply to 

 the man to whom I owe not a little for some of the things I 

 have learned about bee-keeping. 



I do not see that the first quotation from Mr. Boardman 

 conflicts in the least with my belief. I think that no bee- 

 keeper of any experience ever expected his bees to begin 

 storing in supers while there is plenty of vacant space be- 

 low. I should be glad to understand how that conflicts with 

 what I believe to be the fact that starting to store in the 

 brood nest does not seriously interfere with their storing in 

 supers. 



The second quotation from Mr. Boardman is given 

 without saying where it is to be found, and, taken from 

 its setting as it is, I do not know its full bearing — do not 

 know what time is " this time," nor the conditions involved 

 — so I cannot say whether it conflicts with my belief or not. 



If I am not mistaken, storing in any aiad every case, in 

 accordance with the first quotation from Mr. Boardman, 

 begins in the brood-nest — possibh', to be more exact, in the 

 brood-chamber or brood-combs — which, however, does not 

 materially alter the case. The bees first store in the brood- 

 chamber till it is filled. Moreover, a writer for whose opin- 

 ions I have much respect is very positive in the opinion 

 based on very careful observations that no bee coming from 

 the fields ever goes straight to the super to deposit its load, 

 but leaves it always in the brood-nest. Afterwards, it is 

 carried by younger bees into the super, providing there is 

 not room for it in the brood-chamber. If, however, there is 

 room for it in the brood-chamber, in the brood-chamber it 

 will be left, no matter how strong maj' have grown the 

 habit of storing in supers. 



One j-ear, a good many years ago, I thought I might 

 prevent swarming by giving additional room in the brood- 

 chamber for the queen to occupy. I put one. two or three 

 empty combs in the middle of the brood-nest. If three combs 

 were given, the bees promptly filled them with honey, in 

 spite of the previous habit of storing in supers, and only 

 when the queen was ready to use those combs were they 

 emptied out for her. 



When I used 10-frame hives, there was more honey stored 

 in the brood-nest than I find in 8-frame hives, and if the 

 harvest began with empty combs in the brood-chamber 

 those empty combs had to be filled before work was done in 

 the super, and I would rather have that white honey in the 

 super; but when the brood-chamber was filled I could not 

 see but the bees went to work in the super just as willingly 

 as if they had earlier formed the habit of storing in the 

 super. Perhaps that does not exactly express the thought. 

 Bees are creatures of habit, and after storing in a certain 

 place, other things being equal, they will go on in that place 

 more readily than they will commence in a new place. But 

 always the desire to have their stores near the brood-nest is 

 stronger than the habit of storing away from it. and they 

 will store elsewhere onlj- when compelled for want of room 

 in the brood-chamber. What I mean is, that after filling 

 up two or more combs in the brood-chamber they will then 

 as readily form the habit of storing in the super as they 

 would have done in the first place if they had not had those 

 two or more combs to fill. 



I think I have seen stated in forcible language by the same 

 writer whom I have mentioned, that when the old queen is 

 succeeded by a virgin queen the bees during her virginity 

 devote their energies to filling the brood-chamber with 

 honey, and then when the youngqueen begins laying the 

 honey is rushed above and the supers tilled with marvelous 

 rapidity ; that, in spite of the fact that the bees have been 

 fixing the habit of storing in the brood-chamber. Does Mr. 

 Doolittle think he would get any more honey if. during the 

 time that the young queen has not yet commenced to lay he 

 would fill the brood-chamber with dummies so as to force 

 the bees to continue the habit of storing in the super ? 



