June 13, 1907 



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get soinctliiiig definite. How many of 

 that 12 prefer tlie bee-way section? Let 

 me see the liands — 8. How many prefer 

 tlie plain section? 3, How many do 

 not care whicli? I. 



Mr. Abbott — Let me tell you another 

 thing. Out of ID carloads of goods sold 

 down in Missouri, we will sell probably 

 a wagon-load of plain sections — not 

 more in 10 carloads. 



Mr. Kannenberg — It might be that 

 they like the bee-way section because 

 they started in with it and hate to 

 change to the plain. It costs money to 

 change. 



Mr. Taylor — I want to have the Doc- 

 tor put another question. If a man is 

 producing tliousands of pounds of comb 

 honey and has to handle it, that is one 

 thing. If he is producing 200 or 300 

 'pounds, that is quite another. I want 

 you to ask these 3 gentlemen here who 

 have voted in favor of plain sections, 

 how mucli comb honey they handle. 

 Dr. Miller— Will they kindly tell us. 

 Mr. Thompson — A very small amount. 

 Perhaps 2 tons would be the most in 

 any one season. 



Mr. Pease — 40 tons. 

 Mr. Blnme — The lowest I ever had 

 was 2 tons. 



Dr. Miller— Let me state that it still 

 remains a surprise to me. 



Pres. York — Maybe you are easily 

 surprised. Doctor. 



Dr. Miller — I am not easily surprised. 

 Mr. Arnd — My experience is the same 

 as Mr. Abbott's, about selling sections. 

 We sell, I think, almost 10 bee-way sec- 

 tions to I of the plain. 



Dr. Miller — My reading makes me be- 

 lieve that the plain sections are ahead 

 as to number, and as to qualitx'. 

 The Members — No ! No ! 

 Mr. Taylor — Doctor, you have read 

 enough and written enough to know 

 that there is not much dependence to 

 be put on printing! [Applause.] 



Dr. Miller — There is another point. 

 There are a good many bee-keepers 

 who have commenced lately, and they 

 want to take up the best thing. Here 

 is Mr. Kimmey, he is a man who is 

 looking out for the best — he reads, and 

 he knows that the plain sections are 

 away ahead, and he takes the plain sec- 

 tions. He is pleased with them. He 

 doesn't know anything about any others. 

 I don't blame a man of that kind for 

 thinking that the plain section is the 

 best. Now the question is whether we 

 are doing the right thing not to try 

 to let the whole truth be known. The 

 whole truth is not known on that. 



Mr. Lyman — I started with the plain 

 and I shall use the bee-way hereafter. 

 Mr. Whitney — I do not know any- 

 thing about the plain section, but Mr. 

 Abbott says that he sells very few of 

 the plain and a large quantity of the 

 bee-way. We lose sight, I think, of this 

 one fact, that the plain section has just 

 been introduced, and it takes time, even 

 if you introduce a good thing. 



Pres. York — -Especially in Missouri! 

 Mr. Abbott lives in Missouri, you know. 

 [Laughter.] 



Mr. Whitney — I think it is hardly fair 

 to say that the plain section is not as 

 good as the bee-way because we do not 

 sell quite as many of them at the pres- 



ent time, li i,d<es time to introduce 

 a good thing — we all know that. I 

 don't know anything about the plain sec- 

 tion. I have not used anything but the 

 bee-way. Some old bee-keepers up my 

 way, who are interested a little in bee- 

 keeping, got the plain section. They do 

 not like them, but they are using them 

 because they have a supply on hand. 

 'I hey think th.it the fence separator is 

 such a frail thing and breaks up and 

 annoys them a great deal ; but I think 

 that if the time ever comes when we 

 get a fence separator that will be sub- 

 stantial — and I think that will come — 

 they may be regarded as the best sec- 

 tions to use. 



Dr. Miller — If you will allow another 

 question, it will help bring out the 

 point that Mr. Whitney makes as to the 

 time required. That is true. It takes 

 time to introduce a new thing, and a 

 good thing. Now the question is. Is 

 the number of plain sections increasing 

 regularly through this time? Will Mr. 

 Arnd and Mr. .-Xbbott tell us? 



Mr. Abbott — \o, sir. It is the people 

 who have tried them who object to 

 them the most. I send them out once 

 in a vvliile to in'ople as samples in the 

 hives, and they always say, "Don't send 

 me any more of those traps." 



Mr. Arnd — I have not had real ex- 

 perience enough in the bee-supply busi- 

 ness to know, because I have been in it 

 only 2 years. 



Mr. Abbott — I have been in it 20 

 years. 



Mr. Kannenberg — The fault is this : I 

 find with the plain section that you can 

 not produce as much honey as with the 

 bee-way section, because the bees have 

 to fill out the combs on those sections, 

 but they won't get as much honey in it, 

 because when you weigh one super, and 

 then the other, you will have less honey 

 and more wax, more wax to draw out, 

 more comb to draw out. It takes a 

 longer time for the bees. 



Dr. Miller — I don't believe it. 

 Mr. Kannenberg — Doctor, you take a 

 super full of plain sections, and take a 

 super full of honey in the bee-way sec- 

 tion. Which will have the most honey 

 in it? 



Dr. Miller — Do you have separators 

 in both ? 



Mr. Kannenberg — Yes. You will have 

 more honey in the bee-way section than 

 you will have in the super full of plain 

 sections, every time; and it is because 

 of the drawing out of the comb. 



Mr. Wilcox— I have a little evidence 

 that bears on this question, although 

 since the fence separator came into 

 fashion I have discontinued producing 

 comb honey ; but I have judged honey 

 at the State Fairs in recent years, and 

 I invariably give the premiums to the 

 no-bee- way sections. Noticing that fact 

 myself, I began to inquire of exhibitors 

 as to the conditions in the market, and 

 so far as I can learn nine-tenths of them 

 prefer the no-bee-way sections ; that is, 

 that they sell better on the market — 

 the plain sections; that they look bet- 

 ter and sell betu-r. and I am sure that, 

 for some reason which I do not .un- 

 derstand, they looked better to me on 

 exhibition, and I save them the premium. 

 They were betl r tilled out. 



Mr. Kimmr\--Will Mr. York give us 



his opinion, founded on his experience? 



Pres. York — I have not used very 

 many, but I like the plain section bet- 

 ter for cleaning. I have had the same 

 experience as Mr. Wilcox in judging 

 at fairs. 



Mr. Kinimcy — How about the sale? 



Pres. York — I do not think it makes 

 any difference in the sale, not from my 

 experience in the groceries in Chicago, 

 when I was in the honey-business. 



Mr. Kimmey — I would like to hear 

 from Mr. Pease, too, both as to the 

 requirements of the trade, as to bee- 

 ways and no bee-ways, and as to the 

 quantity of honey. 



Mr. Pease — I find that the groceries, 

 as a rule, make very little distinction 

 as to a matter of preference between 

 the bee-way or no-bee-way section. The 

 grocer in Chicago buys his honey by 

 weight, and sells it at so much per sec- 

 tion. They do not want a honey full 

 weight, but the consumer who goes to 

 the grocery store to buy honey — you put 

 a plain section and a bee-way section 

 side by side, and 9 times out of 10 he 

 will take the plain section, even if it 

 weighs less than the bee-way. 



Mr. ]\Ioore — The grocery trade wants 

 a section weighing 12 or 13 ounces, and 

 12 or 13 ounces looks vastly better in a 

 plain section than in a bee-way sec- 

 tion. 



Mr. Whitney — I have two styles of 

 bee-way sections. I have a big super 

 that belongs to the old Gallup hive, and 

 it takes a section 4%x5%, and I think 

 if you place a section of that kind by 

 the side of a plain section they will take 

 mine every time. It will look larger 

 although it is not quite as wide, but it 

 is a little taller, I believe, judging from 

 the appearance, of course. You take a 

 4%x4% bee-way section and it looks 

 lower, and they decide in favor of the 

 plain section because it is tall, but you 

 take the bee-way section that is as tall 

 as the plain section, and I think they 

 will take the bee-way section, every 



time. 



(Continued next week.] 



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