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we will dump out your milk." When did they ever try to co-operate? 

 When did he ever erect a municipal receiving station at which the utensils 

 could be properly sterilized before they are sent back to him? Where is 

 the municipality that attempted to do that? Where is the municipality 

 that ever erected a municipal receiving station out in the country to try 

 to organize the milk business and try to co-operate with the farmer so that 

 the man could profitably sell milk at four cents a quart? Where is the 

 municipality that will pay a premium for a low bacteria count and a high 

 butter count? We owe it to the milk producer and farmer to try to co- 

 operate with him, instead of simply saying, ''Thou shalt not." Sending 

 inspectors chasing around the farm, trying to tell him that he must do 

 things which he often himself does not fully understand ! 



Mks. Smith: I would like to hear some of the milk dealers tell us 

 whether they think it would be feasible to simplify the delivery of milk in 

 cities having it delivered from one wagon. That proposition has been 

 offered in some of the cities. Do the milk dealers think such a scheme 

 would be feasible? 



Mr. Harbison: We think it desirable but not feasible. Where you 

 have 173 retailers, how are you going to eliminate 172? According to 

 the figures quoted, the delivery of milk in Rochester amounts to about 

 63,000 quarts a day, and 90 teams could deliver the milk. That is approxi- 

 mately 700 quarts on a wagon. I presume in Rochester you have pint 

 jars as well as quart. We know that 700 quarts of milk to a wagon, if 

 you serve every day, is not practical, speaking from a practical standpoint. 

 If you will ask every one of those 173 dealers whether they would like to 

 have all the business, each fellow will tell you yes, I would request the other 

 172 to retire. Of course it is more economical if we serve at every doorstep, 

 but how are you going to eliminate them? How is it feasible to eliminate 

 the other fellow? If you people from Rochester can let me know how to 

 make some money on the distribution of milk, we will be obliged to you. 



Mrs. Smith: The figures Dr. Williams gave are very interesting. It 

 requires a $9,000 investment to have a plant which will produce 150 quarts 

 a day. It is very interesting to know that. I would like very much to hear 

 what the milk dealers have to say of the comparison between the farmers' 

 investment and other investments. I have no doubt that some of the 

 gentlemen here tonight have tremendous investments. 



Mr. George Abbott: I think I can best illustrate the point by calling 

 attention to the ice dealers. They invest about $5,000 or |4,000 on an ice 

 plant, gather the ice, and the ice dealer comes along with a $400 team, horse 

 and wagon, and takes that ice to the city and distributes it. We know 

 perfectly well that in the house it is worth about $1 a ton, and about $2 

 a ton hauled in the city and retailed. He asks at least $8 a ton, 20 cents a 

 hundred. He retails it in small quantities at $12 a ton. The difficulty of 



