86 CONFERENCE ON MILK PROBLEMS 



(The resolution was again read by Dr. Wile.) 



MR. MAGRUDER: Mr. President, I am not quite in favor of vot- 

 ing for that classification, because the mere fact of having it free 

 from tubercle bacilli and keeping it cold is not an absolute guar- 

 anty that that milk is safe. We have had it shown to us here 

 this evening that that kind of milk is not absolutely safe milk, 

 because there are so many other conditions that affect the milk, 

 such as a bacillus carrier and diseased persons around the milk. 

 If we can have a bacteriological examination of the employees 

 at the dairies, of their feces, of their urine, and their other ex- 

 cretions, so as to know that they are free from a hanging on of 

 diphtheria, typhoid fever and other diseases, why, then we could 

 safely take that classification. If we could also be sure that that 

 milk was free from the streptococcus, then we might take it. We 

 all know, who have kept pace with these things, that the strep- 

 tococcus is a very serious infection. We know that to children it 

 is very dangerous, and that the danger is so pronounced, as you 

 well know, that in Boston Dr. Rosenau and others are investigat- 

 ing the influence of the streptococcus upon infant feeding. The 

 same matter is referred to the Department of Agriculture at the 

 present. 



The mere fact of a tuberculin test, keeping it safe, keeping it 

 cold and inspecting it, does not guarantee it. We have got to 

 have it partially cooked. A perfect pasteurization 140 degrees 

 for twenty minutes is the only means that will give us the safe 

 milk. 



THE CHAIRMAN: Are there any other remarks? 



MR. ALEXANDER CAMPBELL: Mr. Chairman, it seems to me that 

 these resolutions are so important and the hour is so late that they 

 cannot receive the consideration which they deserve. We have 

 been delighted in listening to the gentlemen here, and it seems 

 to me that a question of this character should have a little more 

 deliberation. 



As to certified milk, there is more certified milk being made to- 

 day than there is a demand for. It is very easy to pass resolu- 

 tions, but what are you going to do with the milk if the people 

 don't want it. We are producing milk to-day at large expense and 

 there isn't a man who is producing it that is getting his expenses 

 out of it. Now, you talk about educating the people 



THE CHAIRMAN: (Interposing) Will you, then, move an amend- 

 ment? 



