28 SUPPRESSION OF INSECT PESTS AND PLANT DISEASES. 



Section 5 was then adopted without amendment. 



Section G was read and was adopted without discussion or amendment. 



Section 7 was then read and was discussed as follows: 



Mr. TAYLOR. Does this prevent the mailing- of infested scions or 

 plants? 



Mr. ALWOOD. That question has been asked a number of times and 

 the committee had it under consideration. 



Mr. TAYLOR. As I understand it, transportation by mail is not 

 transportation by an individual or corporation, but transportation by 

 the United States Government. 



Mr. HOWARD. After the words " delivery to any person or persons" 

 add "or to the United States postal service." I think this would 

 obviate the difficulty. 



Mr. WAITE. Can specimens be sent to the United States Department 

 of Agriculture for identification 1 ? 



Mr. WARDELL. I am of the opinion that the word transportation 

 should be given a liberal construction, so that we can avoid making a, 

 lengthy addition to the bill. 1 believe it is covered in the bill, which 

 reads, " transportation by any person or persons." The postmaster is 

 a person or a thing, but should be a person. 



Mr. TAYLOR. My object in asking the question was that the next 

 section provides a penalty. Is the postmaster to be fined? 



Mr. ALWOOD. We do not know how to deal with the Government. 

 The Secretary of Agriculture can not deal with the Postmaster 

 General. 



Mr. BEACH. Some matters must be modified. It seems to me that 

 having expressed our opinions on this matter we can simply leave it to 

 the authorities to adjust according to their ideas. 



Mr. VAN DEMAN. Let me say that a great many specimens are mailed 

 that must necessarily be infested with living organisms in order to be 

 of any value to the scientists who receive them. I move that we add 

 the words "except for scientific purposes." 



The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the insertion of the words "to 

 the United States postal service for scientific purposes." 



Mr. BEACH. It seems to me if we designate officials of the Govern- 

 ment we are doing injustice to other scientists. Let us leave this 

 matter to the discretion of the committee, having expressed our views 

 on the matter. 



Mr. ALWOOD. Allow me to say that this is a matter you have already 

 provided for by leaving it in the hands of the committee. I think if 

 you will leave it to the committee they will provide for that matter. 



Mr. TAYLOR. I wish for my own information to inquire as to whether 

 the committee considers that the section as worded would prevent 

 private parties from taking scions from their farms in one State to 

 their farms in another State without inspection and whether they would 

 be liable to a penalty. 



