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Mr. Howard. I would like to inquire from the speaker as 

 to how many men he would care to put in a tenement? How 

 many he would think advisable if he had 20 to 40 men? I 

 would like a little light on that. 



- Mr. Brigham. That would depend somewhat on the size 

 of your business and upon whether you could give winter em- 

 ployment to that number of men. It would also depend upon 

 whether you could get summer help; that is, what you want, 

 very readily. If you don't need 20 men the year around, and 

 you can readily get summer help, why, I think it w^ould be 

 best for you to provide houses for the number of men that 

 you want to carry through the year. That is what I should do. 



Chairman Stone. I would like to ask the Commissioner 

 if he has any trouble in hiring these men, getting a man on the 

 place, getting him moved there, him and his family, and then 

 finding he isn't suitable to do the work. What are you going 

 to do with him? Do you have trouble in getting rid of him? 



Mr. Brigham. Well, of course, if you install a man in a 

 tenement house, especially in the spring of the year, and he 

 plants his garden, you are under an obligation to keep him 

 through the season. If you start in in November, you can 

 perhaps get rid of him in the spring honorably, but you have 

 got to make the best of a bad bargain probably for a year. 

 Use the greatest care that you can in getting your men. I 

 haven't had a great deal of trouble from that source. I have 

 had some pretty unpromising characters, but we were able ta 

 get along with them. Some of them improved under our 

 instructions. Get him interested in your business so he looks, 

 ahead to something; that is the secret. 



A Member. What per cent of the profit is the help entitled 

 to? 



Mr. Brigham. That would depend somew^hat on your profits. 



A Member. Do you consider you should pay them their 

 full value in salary? 



Mr. Brigham. Why, pay them the value of a common 

 laborer, or for a laborer doing that class of w^ork for which 

 you employed them. Now, I figure that if you get the right 

 kind of a man and give him an interest in the profits he is 

 going to work enough harder and be an enough better man to 



