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THE AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL. 



October 20. 



ought to be a (air representation. There is a certain way in 

 which I believe it is right to put the best side out. The cloth 

 on the inside of my coat is all right for where it is ; but it does 

 not cost as much as the cloth on the outside, and is not as 

 good. I want to have the best side out. There is no decep- 

 tion about it. You do not expect that the inside is the same 

 as the outside. When you put a section of honey on the table 

 you put the best side uppermost. It looks better that way. 

 In the same way I believe it is right — altho W. Z. Hutchinson 

 " called me down " on it — I believe it is right to put the best 

 side of the sections out. I want them to be a fair representa- 

 tion of what is in the case. I have had a great deal of quar- 

 reling about that in having my honey packt — more than about 

 anything else connected with the whole business. When I say 

 that I want the front to be a fair representation of the whole 

 case, I mean that when those three sections are taken out 

 they shall be as good as any other three in the case, but no 

 better, taking the sections at random. I want the packers to 

 put three sections in front that will be a fair representation 

 of the whole, but I want them to put the best side of the sec- 

 tions out. That is not deception at all. I think when I put 

 better sections next the glass than I put in the middle I am 

 hurting my trade. I am In this business to make money, and 

 I avoid doing some things because that will help me in making 

 money, not entirely because they are dishonest. I like to 

 have my honey so that men will buy of me year after year 

 and not want to look at it at all. I remember that I sold a 

 great deal to a certain man. The first time he lookt over the 

 honey ; the second time he did not. I happened to meet him 

 in company with others, and he said, " I buy honey every year 

 from him. No trouble. Every box just alike." It is not ad- 

 visable to do anything that deceives. I think the failure to 

 agree with Mr. Dooliltle comes entirely from this : He takes 

 the ground that when he sends honey to a commission man 

 the commission man does not expect that the outside, next the 

 glass, is intended to represent the whole case. I know that 

 as honey is generally sold there is more or less of such an ex- 

 pectation that the outside will be representation of the whole ; 

 and so long as there is that expectation I think we ought to 

 gratify it by making the outside a fair representation of the 

 entire case. Failure to do that loses us money in the long 

 run. 



Mr. Danzenbaker — I grade my honey in three grades ; the 

 first grade I sell for 15 cents ; the second grade for 13 cents, 

 and then I have a third grade that I sell for 10 and 11 cents 

 that is not all filled. I believe in making things look nice. I 

 produced honey with a man once, and he took part of the 

 honey for home use. He would save the sections and want 

 those sections used over again the next year, but I said I 

 wasn't willing to take those sections, and if he wanted to use 

 them over he must take them himself. If white honey is in 

 dark sections that are a year old, it would take 5 cents off 

 the price. Stained and discolored sections make a difference 

 of 5 cents in the retail price. That same thing applies to 

 facing honey. A clean shipping-case will make it sell in a 

 commission-man's hands, while an old case will detract from 

 the selling price. 



Dr. Miller — The hardest thing I have to contend with in 

 that matter is this : Here Is a lot of honey that is set off to 

 one side as fancy, and in another place is No. 1. Out of that 

 fancy I pick out 12 sections to be put into a case, and out of 

 those 12 sections I pick out the three best and put them next 

 the glass — it Is all fancy honey ; there is nothing but fancy 

 honey shown there, and yet it is "faced." That is the hard 

 thing to me. They say there is no deception in that because 

 it is all fancy honey, so the front represents what it is. Then 

 I ask the one who says that, "Isn't that honey next the glass 

 a little better than the rest of the case ?" " Certainly it Is." 

 " Doesn't the buyer expect it to be all just as good as what is 

 next the glass? Won't he be deceived when he comes to open 

 It and finds that the inside is not quite as good as the out- 

 side ?" When it comes down to that we must admit that he 

 will be. When it has been sorted out in piles and the best 

 pickt out and put next the glass there is where the deception 

 comes in. Then suppose you have hired packers; they take 

 delight in having things look well, and you have got to watch 

 them to prevent their deceiving. You will cheat more in that 

 way than in almost any other if you don't watch. You must 

 watch the packers. 



Pres. York — I don't think it is a question of deceiving the 

 commission men ; it Is a question of deceiving the final pur- 

 chaser of the goods. 



Mr. Miles — I would like to offer a thought about No. 1 

 and fancy. I find in selling honey that there is hardly any 

 one that knows the difference between what we pack as No. 1 

 and what we pack as fancy ; so they would never know they 

 were deceived ; they wouldn't recognize that it was faced. 



and there would be no deception as there would be If we put 

 buckwheat in. 



IS COMB HONEY ADULTERATED? 



"Is comb honey adulterated, or has it ever been ?" 



H. L. Miller — I have heard It reported that they have 

 machines at the glucose factories for producing comb and 

 making honey. 



E. H. Bridenstine — I heard that it was manufactured here 

 in Omaha, and I wish to find out. 



J. F. Spaulding — If we can find such a place I move that 

 we move on it in a body. 



Mr. Whitcomb — We have several grocers who say they 

 sell comb honey that is adulterated. I doubt it. I don't be- 

 lieve it can be done. The idea has got out, and it is sold to 

 their customers as manufactured comb honey, mainly, I be- 

 lieve, to get rid of a poor sample. 1 doubt if anybody has 

 ever been able to manufacture comb honey. 



Mr. Spaulding — I would like a showing of hands here if 

 there is any one who believes that comb honey has been manu- 

 factured. 



On a call for a showing of hands no hands were raised in 

 the affirmative. 



Dr. Miller — As to the answer to that question, we must 

 be a little careful. I am not sure but there is such a thing as 

 adulterated comb honey, but if the question read, "Have you 

 ever seen a pound of comb honey made without the interposi- 

 tion of the bee?" then we could say that no man has ever seen 

 it or ever will see It; but whether comb honey is adulterated 

 is a different thing. It is not on the market to any extent be- 

 cause there is no money in it. 



E. R. Root— We have made an offer of $1,000 that we 

 will pay to any person who will produce a single sample of 

 comb honey that cannot be detected from the genuine. One 

 or two have been foolish enough to try to take up that offer. 

 We received one sample where a cake of wax had had numer- 

 ous holes bored through It, and the holes were filled and the 

 comb sealed. Of course It did not get the reward, because it 

 could be detected from the genuine. We are trying every 

 year to feed pure glucose to bees. I learned this summer that 

 you could dilute it down with water and they would take it, 

 provided there was nothing else that was coming in. But I 

 don't believe there is any adulterated comb honey on the 

 market. 



Pres. York — I am very tired of having people come to my 

 office who have some story to tell of comb honey being manu- 

 factured in Chicago. I have often said to them that if they 

 will take the time I will, and we will go and find it. It cannot 

 be done. I have simply laught at such people as believe that 

 comb honey has been manufactured or can be. I think it is 

 utterly impossible. 



Mr. Danzenbaker — I don't think that bees will take glu- 

 cose and put it into comb. Some years ago the secretary of a 

 glucose manufactory boarded with me. There were bees In 

 the yard, and he took great interest in them. It was a hobby 

 with him. In the early mornings he would be out there and 

 have the hives open, and I found out that he was experiment- 

 ing with the glucose. He brought glucose and put it into the 

 tops of the hives. I wondered what he was doing, and I 

 found the glucose there. The bees would not take it. Then 

 he took the best glucose sugar and put it in, and the bees 

 wouldn't take It. It was during the honey season, and he 

 thought the bees would mix it with the honey that was com- 

 ing in from the field. He meant to keep bees. He imported 

 a lot of Italian queens, and was thinking of making honey out 

 of glucose, but the bees wouldn't touch it. I believe that the 

 acid in the glucose would finally kill the bees. They have an 

 instinct of sense that enables them to detect it. 



Pres. York — I would like to give one instance of feeding 

 glucose to bees that I know of. Mr. Grabbe, some years ago, 

 was interested in bees with Mr. Perrlne, in Chicago, who was 

 one of the biggest adulterators in the State at that time. 

 They moved two or three hundred colonies to Mississippi and 

 began feeding glucose, and it was scarcely any time at all 

 until they had killed all their bees. 



A Member — What is the best way of combating the idea 

 that comb honey can be made without the aid of bees ? 



Dr. Mason — Subsidize the press. 



Mr. Whitcomb— Kill off the fools. 



Mr. Danzenbaker — Last year at Buffalo this question was 

 raised and talkt about. 1 remember mentioning a story that 

 was publisht in Washington about the manufacture of comb 

 honey. I had a great deal of trouble with that story in the 

 market. People would say my honey was manufactured. I 

 presented them with the argument that has been made here, 

 but I made it a little stronger : I said if there is a man in the 

 United States that can produce one square inch of comb honey 



