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In the multitude of counsellors there is 

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Tlie Shallow Frames for Comb 

 Honey — Bait Sections. 



Qnery 973.— 1. Are shallow frames supe- 

 rior to deep ones in the production of comb 

 honey all through tlie season, or ju.st at the 

 beginning- of the flow ? What I mean is this: 

 It has been asserted that the honey interven- 

 ing between the brood and the surplus apart- 

 ments, which the bees have to cross to get 

 above, diminishes the amount of surplus 

 stored. Does this assertion mean that after 

 the bees are once well started above, that this 

 condilion will still eontluue to exert an intiu. 

 euce? 



2. In starting the bees to work in the right 

 place, are bait sections too fussy for financial 

 bee-keeping? 



3. Is there any other reason than that re- 

 ferred to in 1 for the assertion that shallow 

 frames are better for comb honey ?— Hive- 

 Buyer. 



Chas. Dadant .fe Son— 1. Yes. 2. No. 

 3. No. 



Rev. Emerson T. Abbott— 1. Yes. 2. 

 Yes; no use for them, anyway. 3. Yes. 



P. H. Elwood — 1. Yes, after bees are 

 bred up, shallow frames will get more 

 box-honey. 2. No. 



E. France — 1. The standard Lang- 

 stroth frame is good enough. 2. I would 

 use the bait sections if they are clean. 



J. M. Hambaugh — 1. I think not, 

 though each system has its advocates. 

 2. They are for me. 3. I don't know. 



Rev. M. Mahin — 1. I have used frames 

 9}o inches deep, and 15 inches deep, 

 and I see no difference. 2. No. 3. No. 



Prof. A. J. Cook — 1. I prefer the shal- 

 low frames. 2. I think so. 3. Yes, you 

 can limit the space easily in the brood- 

 chamber. 



C. H. Dibbern— 1. To all of the first 

 question, yes. 2. No. 3. Yes, I think 

 there are, but space is too limited here 

 to give all the reasons. 



Dr. J. P. H. Brown— 1. A frame of 

 the depth of the Langstroth suits ray 

 location the best. 2. It pays to get the 

 bees into the sections as soon as possible. 



B. Taylor — 1. I do not like a frame 

 more than 10 inches deep for either 

 comb or extracted. I would prefer 8 

 inches for comb honey. 2. No. 3. No. 



Allen Pringle — 1. I think the shallow 

 frames are superior to the deep ones in 

 the production of comb honey from be- 

 ginning to end of season. 2. Bait sec- 

 tions pay. 3. Yes. 



R. L. Taylor — 1. All through the sea- 

 son, yes. 2. Yes. With my bees there 

 is no necessity for them at all. 3. Yes, 

 a relatively larger top surface for the 

 reception of sections. 



Mrs. L. Harrison — 1. I prefer shallow 

 frames. 2. Bait sections are of value 

 some seasons. 3. There is not so much 

 room for storing honey above the brood, 

 and it must go above. 



Dr. C. C. Miller — 1. I suspect it refers 

 rather to the starting. 2. I produce 

 comb honey for the money that's in it, 

 and I think it pays me well to fuss with 

 baits. 3. I think other claims are 

 made. 



W. G. Larrabee— I have never used 

 frames deeper than the Langstroth, but 

 I should think that if this assertion was 

 true at one time it would be true at all 

 times. 2. No. 3. I don't know. 



Jas. A. Stone — 1. Shallow frames are 

 the best onhj during the whole of the 

 working season — though not for winter- 

 ing, for the reasons that it saves in the 

 distance traveled, and they work stronger 

 when not so high up from brood. 2. I 

 think not. 3. I don't know any. 



Eugene Secor— 1. Yes, I believe so. 

 If the frames are shallow enough, and a 

 queen-excluder is used, about all the 

 honey can be put in sections, but I do 

 not advocate such practice, because (a) 

 it requires feeding for winter; (b) too 

 much pollen will be put in sections. 2. 

 No. 



H. D. Cutting— 1. You will find many 

 assertions are not true. You would 

 think so if you will watch a good colony 

 in a honey-flow and see how they man- 

 age things. 2. No, they are a help in 

 many cases. 3. There are many reasons 

 advanced, but no room here to give 

 them. 



G. M. Doolittle— 1. Not so great as at 

 first, still the more honey there is be- 

 tween the brood and the sections the 

 slower the work in the latter. 2. They 

 who do not use bait sections are work- 

 ing against their own best interests. 3. 

 Give more surplus room immediately 

 over the brood. 



G. W. Demaree— 1. "Shallow frames" 

 is an indefinite description. We call the 

 Langstroth frame shallow. My bees pre- 

 fer to work above the brood. There is 

 no "meaning" in or about the prattle 

 about bees refusing to go above when 

 there is nectar to be gathered. 2. 

 Partly-filled sections are good starters. 

 3. " Reason" is generally left out. 



J. E. Pond— 1. It depends upon what 

 depth is meant by " shallow." A single- 

 frame Langstroth depth I consider far 

 better than any split hive. 2. I use 

 foundation full size in frames and sec- 

 tions. But I think it is altogether " too 

 fussy." 3. Read the text-books. Opin- 

 ions are many and various. The matter 

 has been largely discussed in past years. 



Wm. M. Barnum- 1. There is but lit- 

 tle truth in the assertion you quote. 

 But, were it true, the depth of frame 

 would not alter conditions in that direc- 

 tion. Our aims should be, first, to afford 

 the queen better accommodations in the 

 brood-rearing business, if that be possi- 

 ble, and at the same time afford easy 

 manipulation. My preference is the 

 Langstroth (shallow) frame ; but " doc- 

 tors " differ. Choose yourself. 2. If the 

 bees are tardy, use "bait." ' 3. Yes. 

 They have been tried, and have been 

 found a success. They are easier of 

 manipulation. 



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