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Miller: to one vote, over a man who had been in this office 

 for ten terms, or forty years. 



Baum: That was Sheriff Veale. 



Miller: Sheriff R.R. Veale, Richard Rains Veale. He had been 

 sheriff for forty years. 



Baum: He must have been very old, wasn't he? 



Millers Yes, he was quite an old gentleman. 



Baum: Did he want to retire? 



Miller: No. He was a peace officer at heart and had devoted 

 almost all his life to it. He had no hobbies of any 

 kind, no way of exercising the energies of man, and 

 therefore within a few years after losing the office 

 of sheriff he passed away. 



Baum: Was this organizing group the Cannery and Agricultural 

 Workers Industrial Union? 



Miller: Well, that would be generally the name that I would 

 think of. It probably got its birth right there in 

 the embryo stage, probably out of Stockton or San 

 Francisco. I wouldn't know exactly, but it was what 

 you would call a disorganized organization. They 

 had absolutely no prior knowledge of what to do in 

 matters of that sort and they had no pattern to use 



