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Miller: and slid downhill. When I got to the winery I was a 

 mess. My suit was gone and what little I had in a 

 little wicker basket. I remember very distinctly 

 they all laughed at me. I went to work at $2 a day. 

 I had thirteen girls and men working for me for I 

 did know this business and what my work was. For 

 five years I worked all the way up through the vari- 

 ous channels. My work was packing the various dif- 

 ferent types of wine in the various cases and ship- 

 ping it out around the world. Later on I became 

 shipping clerk and internal revenue stamp clerk. 

 Much of the time I went to Oakland Technical High 

 at night, three nights a week, putting on a raincoat 

 and walking into Richmond, catching the streetcar, 

 and getting myself very much laughed at because I 

 was striving to learn to speak foreign languages — 

 I speak three or four languages very fluently. I 

 type eighty words a minute now very well, and I have 

 no diploma of any kind. I'm very proud of the fact 

 that I have no diploma. 



Baum: How far had you gone in school as a boy? 



Mi Her $ I went only about to the eighth grade. 



