sounds like you wanted to say a piece What, do you 

 figure there will be 35,000 more people when you sit 

 down to dinner tonight than when you got up from 

 breakfast 



(Dr^ Borlaug): Since we sat down at this confer- 

 ence, there's roughly 25,000 more people that need 

 to be fed. If they aren't fed, there's an old Spanish 

 saying that "a full stomach and a happy heart" and I 

 add right after that, an empty stomach, be careful 

 The world political upheavals come as a consequence 

 of this and for more than 25 years going on 30, I 

 have been advocating that you've got to balance both 

 halves of this equation Now, many of my fvlexican 

 friends, longtime friends, say, "Why didn't you speak 

 in a louder voice in those early years?" I said for the 

 simple reason that I would have been thrown out of 

 the country if I had spoken too loudly, too early. 



Now, there is this awareness, but the distortion in 

 the population is such that there is 55 to 60 percent 

 of the population 17 years and younger which means 

 that as these people mature and marry, this popula- 

 tion grows even though the numbers of children per 

 family will, I think, fall rather dramatically in most areas 

 where there's agricultural development going on and 

 industrial It will take 20-30 years to get past this. 



Let me add one other thing that worries me to no 

 end. Governor Lamm The use of land, multiple ver- 

 sus single use, I think we have to watch this. 



Then, also another issue, when we get our back to 

 the wall on the energy issue, petroleum for example, 

 and I appreciate the situation of the farmer with the 

 deflated prices But gasohol, and I've looked at this 

 carefully in Brazil, when made from sugar cane — 

 what's happening^ First, it's highly subsidized and it's 



displacing food crops from the best land, pushing 

 them right out and this is virtually impossible to control 

 with these high subsidies that are involved. I'm very 

 fearful that if we went too far on our own ethyl alcohol 

 from corn that we would upset the whole world trade 

 in feed for livestock in the long run. How soon this is 

 will depend on availability of other sources of energy, 

 but something's got to be done. You said there is 

 energy that's basically in wood for conversion to liquid 

 fuels by one or two different processes. That calls for 

 a lot more research and calls for adjustments in 

 prices that will take place as petroleum becomes 

 more scarce. 



Governor Lamm, I think that you might be back in 

 business over there with those shales sooner than you 

 think if this situation in the Near East continues to 

 deteriorate. We'll probably be back on the front 

 burner with all of that and hoping we will continue right 

 on through. 



(Governor Lamm): Great, thank you. To close our 

 morning session, then, Governor Schwinden. 



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