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between them very carefully and watch that their neighbors do not put fire in. And 

 if one of them should attempt to clear his timber too closely, he is immediately stop- 

 ped by representations to us and we take steps to prevent him. 



There is no doubt that unless we had taken certain means we could not have 

 attached that penalty clause on selling lands, but we had to do it in another way, 

 in which the Government could probably do it also. We did it not only for the 

 protection of our own contiguous forests, but also to protect these people from 

 one another, because if one man had been allowed to burn wherever he pleased he 

 might just as well have burned up the whol? thing. In this way when they start 

 clearing their lands, say from the south, they cut as far as they are allowed and 

 then stop, and those at the other end clearing from the north do the same thing, 

 and they do it in such a way as to as far as possible obviate danger from fire. 



After taking all these facts into consideration my father thought this was 

 the best way of doing. It has proved a complete success and I see no reason why 

 the Government should not take it up. They might do so on a small scale if they 

 liked, say, in issuing new patents or grants of land; then if it does not work satis- 

 factorily, and the element of politics comes in, as it may, with the influences that 

 might be brought to have these provisions revoked, it cannot be helped. But 

 public opinion is forming itself, and once this policy was definitely adopted I hardly 

 think after a few years that anybody would wish to change it. 



The PRESIDENT. What control have you after the final payment is made, 

 over the settler. 



Mr. E. G. JOLY DE LOTBINIERE. Just the same control. If there is any 

 infraction on these particular reserves it is provided for, because the land was only 

 sold subject to such restrictions. It is mentioned in the deed that if they do not 

 agree to these conditions, made both in our and their own interests, that the land 

 would not have been sold, and they accept the land on these conditions so that if at 

 any time subsequently they try to break them we can stop them and inflict the 

 penalty agreed upon. 



Mr. SOUTHWORTH. Supposing they would not stop, what then? 



Mr. JOLY DE LOTBINIERE. Then we could enforce the penalty. I 'may say, 

 however, that we have never yet had occasion to do so. 



Mr. SOUTHWORTH. Could you enforce it? 



Mr. JOLY DE LOTBINIERE. I do not think there is any doubt about that. 



The PRESIDENT. Is the penalty provided for in cash? 



