56 CANADIAN FORESTRY ASSOCIATION 



Mr. LITTLE : You have 30 years of life. You said there were 7 billions 

 of lumber under license and 13| billions on the ungranted lands. You said 

 you would be able to get from the first about f 10,000,000, and from the other 

 (on the lower scale of flO a thousand), about $135, 000,000. Figuring on the 

 red pine it would last 30 years. Nationally, that is nothing at all. 



Mr. WHITE : With all respect for your views, and taking them in all 

 kindness, if you can suggest how we can do any more than we are doing I 

 will be very glad to tell the Minister. We have placed Fire Rangers every- 

 where there is danger. We have secured the best men we can get. We have 

 given them definite instructions. We have put supervisors over them, and 

 we have got licensees to do the same. If there is anything more to be done 

 I don't know what it is. 



Mr. J. B. MILLER: According to Mr. White's figures (taking the annual 

 increase at 800 millions) if we are only cutting 710 millions a year we are not 

 drawing very severely on our resources. They will last 130 years. 



Mr. LITTLE : Where the forest is not under second growth the original 

 timber decays, and I question very much if there is this amount of timber. 

 At any rate it is a very small amount of pine to last this country. I believe 

 that we have no pine to spare. 



Mr. G. Y. CHOWN : Have we any men in the woods that are there because 

 of political appointment? 



Mr. WHITE : I have made it a rule in a meeting of this kind to keep 

 politics out of the discussion, and I think they are entirely foreign to any 

 discussion that takes place here. If the gentleman is not satisfied with the 

 administration of the Crown Lands Department let him go to the Minister 

 and voice his views, and they will be attended to. 



A DELEGATE : I trust, Mr. Chairman, you will rule out anything of that 

 nature. This Association was not formed to admit any discussion of that 

 kind. 



Mr. MILLER : The lumbermen appoint their own rangers, and the lumber- 

 men as a rule try to get men who are used to the woods and suitable for that 

 purpose regardless of whether they are Conservative or Liberal. They want 

 the best men they can get. 



Mr. W. A. CHARLTON : With the greatest respect for Mr. White's skill 

 and good judgment, there is one suggestion I would make that the Govern- 

 ment increase the pay of the fire rangers. They give them |2 a day, and 

 they find themselves in the woods in shelter and food. Now, it is well known 

 to any business man in this country that you cannot secure the services of a 

 good man for $2 a day to find himself. (Hear, hear.) The plan we have 



