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SENATOR EDWARDS : The idea that I am opposed to Forestry or to edu- 

 cation in that direction is entirely wrong. I am a supporter of that kind of 

 thing absolutely ; but I hold this, and hold it firmly, that the best place to 

 receive that education would be a Forestry establishment right in the woods, 

 and not in the city of Toronto. Right in the woods is the place. I advocated 

 that at the meeting in Ottawa, and I advocate it here. If you want to get 

 practical results, take your young men, under such teachers as Dr. Fernow, 

 right into the forests to learn the practical operations of Forestry. 



Dr. FERNOW : Alow me to once more get up and say that we do that very 

 thing. In Toronto we impart only the theory which lies behind the practice. 

 All practical things have a theory behind them. When I step forward I 

 have a theory that I can balance on that foot ; and so there is not any action 

 of mine behind which there is not a theory. Now, in an institution like ours 

 we can only teach theory. The practice comes when we get to the woods. 

 And we are trying to secure, and are anxious to find, places where we can 

 send our young men to get at least a little practice while they are studying 

 the theory, and to see the application of their theories. If the Senator will 

 open his lumber camps, and give us a chance to do some forest surveying, 

 some estimating, some laying out of roads that kind of work which they 

 have learned theoretically to perform and do it under the direction of the 

 logging boss, we will be very much obliged. (Applause and laughter.) 



SENATOR EDWARDS : The laugh is not against me, for the gentleman 

 states that his men would learn more there than they learn in the school. 



DR. FERNOW: Not more. (Laughter.) 



HON. MR. GRIMMER : In this connection let me say that we have in the 

 Province of New Brunswick to-day a gentleman who is doing just exactly 

 what the professor has mentioned. The Hon. Charles E. Oak, of the Mira- 

 michi Lumber Company, has applied to the School of Forestry of New 

 Brunswick to take into his lumber camps some 20 to 25 students, if they have 

 that many, and keep them there, one, two or three months, and pay them 

 living wages for the purpose of giving them the practical end of Forestry, 

 just as Dr. Fernow has mentioned. (Applause.) Prof. Miller, who read the 

 paper here yesterday, has been informed of that, and the offer is good to-day 

 in the Province of New Brunswick for practically all the Forestry students 

 that we have. Mr. Oak, on behalf of his company, is perfectly willing to 

 pay those young men living wages, not asking them to go there for nothing, 

 and at the same time to teach them practical woods work. (Applause.) 





 MR. BERGEVIN : For the Province of Quebec I may add something 



for the information of Senator Edwards, and I would direct him to the report 

 of 1907 for the Department of Crown Lands. I am an old politician, and I 



