member of the commission. 



The chairman of it was a man named Kothari, who was a 

 physicist. He was also chairman of the University Grants 

 Commission of the government of India. He had been a 

 delegate to the Pugwash Conference at Udaipur in 1963 when 

 Harrison Brown and I were both there, and I had talked a 

 good deal about the Pakistan project. He was so impressed 

 with that that he got me appointed as a member of this 

 commission. So that Pakistan project did various things. 



Sharp: Yes, it did. 



Reveller It still is, in fact, after all these years. 



So that certainly slowed down the financial 

 development or the staffing of the center. It was very 

 difficult staffing it anyhow because Harvard and most 

 universities are just not very able to accommodate non- 

 departmental activities. At Harvard you have to have a 

 faculty appointment in a department; you can't have a 

 faculty appointment at a center. 



Sharp: It sounds like the University of California. 



Revelle: Exactly the same. 



Sharp: If you want to do something out of the ordinary or create a 

 new position that doesn't fall within their expectations — . 



Revelle: It's very difficult, essentially impossible. 



That was the wonderful thing about the Scripps 

 Institution. It really wasn't an organized research unit, 

 although some people liked to think of it as that, it was an 

 institution , it was a unique enterprise, and we could 

 appoint faculty members to the institution, not to a 

 department. That was wonderful. Even the College of 

 Agriculture has to have departments. The people who work in 

 the experiment station are not necessarily faculty members. 

 But all our guys at Scripps could be faculty members, if we 

 had the money. 



So [at Harvard] what I had to do was to work with 

 individual departments to appoint faculty members. 



The other thing we did to begin with — and again 

 Pauline Wycoff was responsible for this — was to develop a 

 library for the Center for Population Studies, which we had 

 over on the Boston side of the river in the School of Public 

 Health. 



She found a wonderful woman named Wilma Winters 

 [spells it] who was a real Yankee and always called herself 

 "Wilmer." So we always called her Wilmer Winters or called 

 her Wilmer. I still get letters from her occasionally, and 

 she still signs herself "Wilmer." She was an old maid who 

 was taking care of her aged and I guess difficult mother. 

 She lived outside of Boston in the suburbs. She was a 

 wonderful, warm, gentle, and enterprising human being. 



