always doing things for everybody in the center, 

 particularly for those on the Boston side of the river. 



We got quite a big chunk of space out of the new 

 public health building that Jack was having built. He 

 didn't really see the need for a library, but I thought it 

 was darned important to have a library. The tradition of 

 public health is an activist tradition. They go out in the 

 field and organize essentially administrative programs, like 

 greatly reducing malaria and eliminating smallpox. These 

 field programs are typical public health programs, and it's 

 not a very scholarly profession. Whereas I felt that the 

 population business, as you can easily see, could be a 

 center for scholarly activities, and was, in fact, in 

 several other universities in the country. 



So anyhow, we got this 9 Bow Street, which is really a 

 marvelous little building, and we got a library and offices. 

 The public health building, the Center for Population 

 Studies really only had the library there. The rest were 

 the offices of the Department of Population Sciences. 



About the funding, in the long run we never got 

 anymore funding out of Richard Saltonstall, beyond the 

 chair, and out of Lament Dupont Copeland, primarily the 

 Andelot Professorships. We got some money to begin with out 

 of Cornelia Scaife May, quite a bit; I don't remember, 

 several hundred thousand dollars. We got money from a man 

 named John Musser, who was one of the important elements of 

 the lumber business, associated with Weyerhauser and those 

 other lumber companies of the northwest United States. We 

 got money out of the Ford Foundation. 



The man in charge of population studies there was Bud 

 Harkavy, Oscar Harkavy, and we got a million or two out of 

 him. We got a grant from AID for teaching people from 

 underdeveloped countries about population problems . That 

 was a $2 million grant. ## 



"The Population Problem" 



Sharp: You also had a project in India? 



Revelle: But we ran into great difficulties there. The Indians were 

 getting quite independent. They didn't like to have 

 foreigners working on their population problem. 



Sharp: Yes, that's really clear in some of the letters that were 

 going from you to John [Wyon] . 



Revelle: Yes, and John was sort of a product of the British colonial 

 mentality. He never really was able to adapt to the new 

 way the Indians were looking at things . 



Sharp: To accept some cooperation on their ideas, to accept that 

 the Indians had their own ideas . 



Revelle: 



To work with them, to get them to be out in front. 



