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Pass, and he organizes a conpany of Khyber Rifles and 

 marches in, burns a few villages. Naturally the people give 

 up the criminals, and he takes them back and hangs them in 

 Peshowar. 



That's the way Pakistan, that's the way the British 

 governed the Northwest Frontier. It's really a wild 

 country. It's like the mountains of Kentucky, only ten 

 times worse. 



And my gal, my head section man, is just finishing her 

 thesis. She hasn't got her Ph.D. yet, even after all these 

 years working on the cultural and social anthropology of 

 these hill people. 



Sharp: It sounds really fascinating, but so far removed from 

 civilization as we know it, right? 



Revelle: Oh yes. 



There's a little kingdom there called the Kingdom of 

 Swat. I'm not sure she was in Swat, but she was in a place 

 something like that, which is a dependency of Pakistan, sort 

 of a colony of Pakistan. 



The sultan of Swat, I remember, although I think he 

 had a different title, a very funny title, the "Wali of 

 Swat" the high poohbah of Swat, got a decoration at the same 

 time I did from President Ayub Khan, when I got the Sitara- 

 i-Imtiaz. They have what they call a [lost on tape]. That 

 was a day for medal giving, and he got some kind of a 

 decoration I remember, at the same time I did. He was a 

 funny little man. 



Ayub Khan was a great big man, about as tall as I am, 

 and he weighed about 225 or 250 pounds. He was not blond 

 but he looked like an Englishman, went to Sandhurst, and 

 talked like an Englishman. He was what the Pakistanis call 

 a pathan [spells it], from the Northwest Frontier, this wild 

 country that I'm telling you about, but the civilized Vale 

 of Peshewar part of it. We will talk more about that when 

 we talk about our project in Pakistan. 



I taught this course for about ten years. I think the 

 last time I taught it was in 1976. That was the time when 

 we had 300 students. One of the touching ceremonies at 

 Harvard is that the professor's last lecture is attended by 

 all of his colleagues; they all clap wildly at the end of 

 it! I remember that very well. 



Over the course of time we got several professorial 

 appointments in departments that were also members of the 

 center, particularly Nathan Keyfitz, who was appointed to 

 the Sociology Department and is one of the world's leading 

 demographers, a first-rate guy. He was at Berkeley before 

 he came to Harvard, working with Kingsley Davis and Judith 

 Blake Davis. He took very well to Harvard. Harvard was 

 just his dish of tea. He became a popular member of the 

 Sociology Department, what they call the Department of 

 Social Relations. He brought a lot of credibility to our 



