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going on. 



Revelle: Oh yes, it certainly did. They built a series of beautiful 

 buildings, three of them, right next to the India 

 International Center, in a park which was full of Muslim 

 tombs, pre-tombs, the so-called Lodi Tombs, and as Ford 

 pulled in their horns they gradually got somebody else to 

 take over these buildings. Mostly they're now taken over by 

 the World Bank. The World Bank has sort of taken the place 

 of the Ford Foundation in India as a development agency. 

 Similarly, AID had an empire in India, which Pat Moynihan 

 pretty much dismantled. 



Sharp: I thought we might talk about both AID and the Ford 



Foundation, just with respect to the center because of the 

 kind of funding that they were giving you, and weren't 

 giving you; it wasn't always successful. 



Revelle: That's right. 



Sharp: We might talk about it, just what their objectives were 

 in giving you the funding, sponsoring some of the 

 projects and programs — as well as center's operating 

 funds . There are some obvious points where you got funding 

 and where you didn't. 



Revelle: The ones we didn ' t get I don't remember so well as the ones 

 we did get. [laughing] But let me tell you about the ones 

 we did get. I don't remember the dates exactly. 



Sharp: 1971 is one good year. Almost $2 million from AID. 



Revelle: Yes, that was essentially our only AID grant. This was 



primarily for teaching graduate students from less developed 

 countries. We established a series of fellowships for these 

 graduate students and we were going to teach them about 

 population problems basically from a social science point of 

 view and a demographic point of view, the mathematics of it. 

 That was why we got Nathan Keyfitz there, for exair^le. He 

 came at about that time . We promised them that we would 

 make these appointments and we made them with the Andelot 

 professorships, the Andelot endowment. One of the things 

 that AID wanted to have was a man who would run this 

 program. 



Sharp: Right. And you thought that was fine because they were 

 willing to pay for it as part of the grant. 



Revelle: Sure, I thought it was a very good idea. 



Sharp: One less thing for you to do. 



Revelle: That's right. I'm not sure that my choice of the man to do 

 this was a wise choice. His name was Eli Bergman. He'd 

 gotten his Ph.D. at North Carolina. He was certainly not a 

 scholar, not a very good research worker, and particularly 

 Bob Dorfman took a very dim view of his being assistant 

 director. In fact, if you look at the minutes of the 

 executive committee meeting, we said he wouldn ' t be the 

 assistant director, but Bergman insisted on having that 



