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Street, getting the furniture and making the physical 

 arrangements, I wondered if it was something that you liked 

 to do with your own house, or something that was really left 

 better to others? 



I like to have the right kind of paintings and engravings 

 and things like that on the wall. I bought quite a few 

 things like that, and objects d'art in general I bring back 

 from trips, lots of trips. I don't do it so much anymore; 

 we've got so much stuff already! 



[gestures to window] For example, those things in 

 that window down there are all things that I've collected. 



Where are they from? 



Well, the ones on top are from Crete, from Knossos. The 

 ship in a bottle was something that Ellen had when she was a 

 girl. But the ones on top, those funny, strange figures are 

 Minoan, -they are replicas of Minoan sculpture. The little 

 object is a Ganesla, an Indian elephant god. The rest are 

 just there by happenstance. The picture of the whale diving 

 is one that was taken on a little one-day expedition I led a 

 couple of years ago for a conference we had here. 



Off the coast here? 



Yes, off the coast here on the Ellen Browning Scripps . 



Did you take the picture? 



No. It's a very good picture. Far too good for me to take. 



The whale was really cooperating. 



Yes, he sure was. 



Or she. 



He or she. I'm sure the whales can tell, but it's 

 very hard for people to tell the difference! 



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I remembered after I left that you had mentioned the 

 last lecture that you gave at Harvard when all the faculty 

 came. 



Well, not all the faculty, but some of my friends came. 



We didn't really talk about it, but I wondered if you wanted 

 to finish up a little with that. Since you had recalled it 

 I wondered if you wanted to talk about it just a little bit 

 and then we can go into some of the international topics. 



Well, there really isn't very much to say that I remember. I 

 remember Nathan Kefitz particularly was there, and Bob 

 Dorfman, Harold Thomas, and other people I'd been associated 

 with. I guess we had a little champagne or cake afterwards. 



