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anywhere near as good. The Sind had traditionally consisted of 

 big landed estates with agricultural laborers, whereas in the 

 Punjab there had been these canal colonies with many, many small 

 farmers, independent, small operators. A big farm in the Punjab 

 is fifty acres. 



Sharp: So they really were small farmers. 



Revelle: Yes. Two or three hundred acres was really quite big. Whereas in 

 the Sind, the Bhutto family had thousands of acres, for exairple. 

 But you remember I told you yesterday that I spent a very bad 

 morning with Bhutto because he was a Sindi landlord and he said we 

 had to make recommendations about the Sind too. 



The reason this was important was that our advice had a lot 

 of effect on AID and on the World Bank. So he didn't give a damn 

 whether our advice was good or bad, as long as we said something . 



Sharp: So that they got the funds? 



Revelle: Yes. I took a very dim view of him, particularly after that 

 morning. It was just like being in the office of a Boston 

 politician, little men running in and out with handwritten 

 messages and Bhutto making decisions all the time we were talking, 

 dozens of sort of errand boys coming in and out, mostly fat little 

 men. 



He was very much like the famous mayor of Boston, Mayor 

 Curley. Bhutto was about as close to Mayor Curley as you could 

 get and be a Muslim instead of a Catholic. 



Anyhow, we spent quite a lot of time working with Pakistani 

 engineers and technicians in an organization called WAPDA, the 

 Water and Power Development Authority of West Pakistan. The head 

 of that organization was a man named Ghulam Ishaq Khan. He was a 

 Rathan, as you could tell by his name being Khan. G-h-u-1-a-m I- 

 s-h-a-q, no u, just I-s-h-a-q. 



In the Arab language somehow they don't put a u after a _q. 

 (For example, qereshi will be q-e-r-e-s-h-i. It's a k sound.) 



He was about the smartest guy I have ever known in my life. 

 A wonderful man. He was until recently at least, in effect, the 

 prime minister of Pakistan, the chief advisor to the marshal law 

 administrator. General Zia. He became president of the Bank of 

 Pakistan, which is sort of their treasury department and he has 

 held a succession of very responsible, supervisorial [positions], 

 running the country in one way or the other, after he left WAPDA. 

 ' He is now the President of Pakistan (1989-1990) . 



He would sit on one side of the table and the panel members 

 who were there would sit on the other, and he all by himself was 

 the equal of all of us together. He was just incredible. He knew 

 so much about it. He had a degree in botany from the University 

 of Lahore. He was not an engineer, he was just a very good man, a 

 conscientious, thoroughgoing, completely patriotic administrator. 

 On one occasion we drove together from Randipuhr to Lahore. ## 



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