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and we got to know each other. I never met his family. His wife 

 was in Purdah. She just never appeared at all at public events. 

 Some of the wives did. Bhutto's wife, this beautiful red-haired 

 Persian, did appear. Everybody was very much smitten by her. 



Sharp: Did they like her better than they liked him? 



Revelle: Oh yes, sure, naturally. She was and is a very good person. 



She's sort of the head of his party now in Pakistan, although I 

 think she's been very ill lately, and it's really my student Pinky 

 Bhutto who leads the party. She was a nice girl but no genius, no 

 intellectual giant. She wasn't stupid either, but she was about a 

 B student. 



Revelle: 



Sharp: 



"The Revelle Report " 



After this first trip to the country, we went back and got all the 

 data that we could about Pakistan, and our report had a hell of a 

 lot of data of all kinds about the country. It's called the 

 Revelle Report. We spent about two or three years writing it. 



I have seen several drafts, 

 drafts. 



I think I sent you one of the 



Revelle: Yes, you sent the summary of one of them. In the end it was just 

 a small group of us who took responsibility for it. That was 

 Thomas, Dorfman, Burden, Falcon, Peter Rogers, and I. One of the 

 reasons for that was that Katz, Isaacs, and Gomer had all these 

 what I thought were completely wild ideas about how to get rid of 

 the salt, which we ignored. 



We thought we had a solution and we just talked about the 

 tube well solution all the time, which was a perfectly reasonable 

 and adequate solution. We didn't need all these fancy things, 

 like spreading asphalt on the surface and growing fish or 

 something like that. That was John's idea, 

 [brief tape interruption] 



Jerry Wiesner by this time, I guess had left. Daniel 

 Dunning was President Johnson's science advisor. Is that in one 

 of the letters here somewhere? 



Anyhow, in the long run the last letter was from Johnson to 

 Ayub Khan — of course written by us or by somebody in the science 

 advisor's office. 



Here it is here. Well, this is from Kennedy.* [reads from 

 JFK's letter] "The most far-reaching conclusion of the panel was 

 that waterlogging and salinity must be attacked within the context 

 of a broad approach toward a large and rapidly increasing 

 productivity. This can be done by an integrated application of 

 all the factors of agricultural production, combined with 

 sustained human effort and sufficient capital investment to attain 

 momentum and improvement . " 



We recommended that they concentrate on a million acres at a 

 time. That was based on our bias in favor of government action. 

 What actually happened, as I said, was that the farmers drilled 



