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and the Soviet Union. They had to think of something that 

 they were interested in. They, of course, were interested 

 in development. 



The trouble is most of the attendees didn't know 

 anything about development. It was kind of an 

 irreconcilable difficulty that if the developing countries 

 wanted to talk about it, the people there didn't know what 

 to talk about. 



But anyhow, at Ddaipur, the chairman of the working 

 group on development was this man B.S. Khotari who was head 

 of the university grants commission of the government of 

 India. [spells Khotari ] I talked about our Pakistan 

 adventure, and he was very much impressed by it — in fact, 

 the whole working group was — and our report says quite a 

 bit about it, the report of that working group. The result 

 of that discussion was that he got me appointed as the 

 American member of the education commission of the 

 government of India. 



Sharp: I thought we might talk about that a bit. 



Reveller He was the chairman of the commission. This was a so-called 

 parliamentary commission appointed by the elected house, the 

 House of Commons basically of the Indian government. So the 

 next two years I spent about one month in three in India as 

 a member of this commission. 



We can talk about that later, but anyhow this was the 

 outcome of that conference, as far as 1 was concerned. 



During the conference, I got into quite an argument 

 with Mrs. Gandhi because I said, without really knowing much 

 about it, that there had been very little improvement in the 

 Indian villages since independence. 



Sharp: Must have been a popular idea! 



Revelle: It wasn't popular with her. She took a very dim view of it. 

 Actually, I was probably right, but she didn't want to think 

 so. 



Then later we went to Delhi, some of us, particularly 

 Harrison Brown and I went to Delhi, as the guests of Hussein 

 Zaheer, who was the director general of the Council on 

 Scientific and Industrial Research. He was a Muslim, 

 revolutionary. In those days, in order to get anywhere in 

 India you had to have been in jail during the independence 

 struggle, as they called it. And he had been in jail, and 

 he was a loyal member of the Communist Party, and he was a 

 good chemist. Then he became head of this organization that 

 had government research establishments all over India called 

 the Council on Scientific and Industrial Research. 



He was our host in Delhi. He put us up at a hotel 

 called the Rajpath Hotel, which I remember because I don't 

 think I have ever been so cold in my life. This hotel was 

 built for warm weather, and it was all open-air sort of 

 circulation, so the wind would come from the outside right 



