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Sharp: 



through the corridors and right through your room! It was 

 just really quite cold. Delhi can be quite cold in the 

 wintertime, even though it doesn't snow. A lot of people 

 die from exposure because they are malnourished, and the 

 temperature gets down to around forty degrees or less. 



Prime Minister Nehru invited Harrison and me to come 

 and visit him. He was always very soft-hearted about 

 scientists. But he had had a stroke and he was not very 

 well. We made our appointment there. Mrs. Gandhi was 

 there, and it was quite clear the only thing she wanted us 

 to do was go away just as quickly as possible. [laughing] 

 A minimum of bothering her father. She made it very obvious 

 that we should make the visit about one minute long, if 

 possible. 



But he, of course, wanted to talk about science. He 

 couldn't talk very well because of his illness, so we did 

 leave after a bit. I think Harrison had met him before. He 

 had spent some time in India in the ^50s when Nehru was in 

 his prime and in very good shape. At least when I met him 

 he was feeble and weak. He had not lost control of himself, 

 but he wasn't very much interested in talking. 



You had mentioned in one letter after Nehru passed away, 

 which was within six months, you had written Professor 

 Zaheer that you had really appreciated Nehru's help in 

 getting the IIOE going, the International Indian Ocean 

 Expedition. 



Revelle: Yes. 



Sharp: I wondered if you had met him at that point? 



Revelle: No, I never had. The only time I ever met him was in 



November of '63. Or maybe not November. October. I think 

 this must have been before the ICSU meeting in Vienna, 

 because Harrison was at that too. He was the foreign 

 secretary of the National Academy then, and I'm pretty sure 

 he was at that meeting. 



Well, so much for that Udaipur meeting. The one other 

 thing I remember was that an awful lot of people, including 

 Abdus Salam, got dysentery, but I didn't, at that time, and 

 I was surprised that Abdus did. There's no immunity just 

 because you're an Indian or a Pakistani to it. In fact, I 

 used to say that most Indian villagers are sick most of the 

 time. Most of them never know what it is to have a solid 

 stool. 



The other Pugwash conference that I remember was the 

 first one I went to in Baden, Austria. I was asked to go by 

 Leo Szilard. The most memorable thing about that conference 

 was Szilard' s ideas. He took a dim view of the formal 

 discussion, thinking it was just an opportunity for the 

 Russians to put on their act, put on their set speeches, and 

 Americans put on set speeches . But he thought there was 

 some virtue in informal discussions and walks in the garden. 



I remember one of his ideas was to trade cities, a 



