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We finally formed a board of trustees, and I was a 

 member of the board for many years, and finally was rotated 

 off. 



I think this is a small and very useful little 

 organization, this IFS. It worked out better than we had 

 any right to expect. Eventually even the US contributed. 

 We contribute now $2- or $300,000 a year. We're one of the 

 major contributors. But it took years and years before the 

 US would buy it at all. 



Sharp: The last time we talked about international scientific 

 cooperation, we worked our way through UNESCO and your 

 involvement in UNESCO. One of the threads that runs through 

 even the law of the seas, maybe especially the law of the 

 seas, stresses the role of the developing nations in 

 deciding how the resources should be divided up. 



Revelle: Oh yes. This was certainly not intended when they organized 

 the United Nations or UNESCO either. Now, all these United 

 Nations agencies have essentially become development 

 agencies, dealing primarily with the poor countries, 

 basically because there are so many of them. Well, they 

 have a great majority in all the governing bodies. They 

 organized something they call the Group of Seventy-Seven. 

 It's now about 125. And in the Law of the Sea conference, 

 they were the ones who pretty much guided what happened. 

 The developed countries, they could obstruct and be 

 negative, but the outcome had to be satisfactory to the 

 Group of Seventy-Seven. ## 



Sharp: You better explain that. 



Revelle: Well, I mean they don't run it. It's run by a 



self-perpetuating-board of trustees basically representative 

 of national academies, of the academies of different 

 countries that support it. We did have a grants committee 

 which had several representatives from developing countries 

 on it, like from India, a chap who runs the National 

 Research Council in Thailand, but it isn't dominated by the 

 Group of Seventy-Seven, even though it's entirely operated 

 in their interest. 



[Regarding] the other Pugwash meetings, I remember 

 something about Addis Ababa because there I first ran into a 

 man named Abdul Magade who was an Egyptian economist. We 

 later worked with him on the Aswan High Dam problem, Harold 

 Thomas and Walter Spof f ord and I . 



I also met at that time, or didn't meet, but saw Haile 

 Selassie. He gave a speech to the Pugwash group. He was a 

 funny, small man, very unimpressive physically. He was a 

 member of the racial group that ran Ethiopia. They were 

 very handsome people, big, not really Negroid in their 

 features at all, but brown-colored. Beautiful women, 

 handsome, big men. For the moment I can't think of what 

 they're called. Not Aramaic but something like that. 



I remember at a banquet they served us raw meat, sort 



