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of like a steak tartare, which was put into your mouth by 

 one of these beautiful Ethiopian girls. 



The other thing I remember particularly about it was I 

 had a rather vigorous argument with [lost on tape] and 

 Vikram Sarahai, two of my oldest friends in the Indian 

 subcontinent. Was here just the other day. We went to 

 lunch with him, in fact. Vikram is dead, but a couple of 

 years ago I was Vikram Sarabai Memorial Professor at the 

 Physical Research Laboratory in Ahmedabad. 



What we were arguing about was basically the 

 relationship between Pakistan and India. I don't really 

 quite remember what the substance was, what my thesis was or 

 what their thesis was. That was after the Pugwash meeting 

 in Udaiphur. It must have been two years later. We sat up 

 quite late at night in a bar, arguing. 



[At] Venice, as I say, the two outstanding events were 

 Leilah being there and the invention of the IFS. 



[At] Stowe, in Vermont, one of the people there was 

 Jerry Peel, I remember. I worked hard on a report on 

 natural resource development, which Ruth Adams was quite 

 impressed by. 



[Regarding] Fontana, I don't remember much about it at 

 all except that we still kept talking about the IFS, as we 

 did at Soji also, in Russia, and at Radavi in Sweden. In 

 Soji, one of the people there was Kosygin's daughter, quite 

 a handsome woman in a heavyset, Russian sort of way. 



One of the people there was Herb York, at that meeting 

 in Soji. We caught a plane together at the end of the 

 conference for Moscow. It was beautiful weather in Soji and 

 by the time we got to Moscow there was a blinding snow 

 storm. We had a hard time getting a taxi at the airport. I 

 remember the taxi driver said, "If you pay me in American 

 dollars, I'll be glad to take you." [laughing] 



So we did do exactly that. They took us to the main 

 hotel in the square, just down the hill from the Red Square, 

 the St. Basil Church Square, Hotel Moscow, one of the 

 biggest hotels in the world I guess. Really four hotels in 

 one. We had a room right on the square, overlooking the 

 square. It was a very touching scene because everything was 

 covered with snow, it was just lovely, white snow. I 

 remember half a dozen drunken Russians staggering down the 

 steps singing in a happy, lovely way, into this square from 

 the Red Square up the hill. It was a very touching sight to 

 see these people after they'd been celebrating in a nice 

 way! They were so happy about it and still singing. 



Sharp: That's not the image that most Americans bring back from 

 Moscow. A lot of Americans come back and think that the 

 people are dim, dull, and very serious-faced, and not — . 



Reveller Well, I have several impressions. I have been in Moscow 



half a dozen times, and I don't have that impression at all. 

 One of the impressions one has is it's a very clean city. 



