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It has been built up a lot in the last fifteen years, lots 

 of newer type apartment buildings, which are pretty much 

 mass-produced apartment buildings. But they're far better 

 looking than the skyscrapers that Stalin put up in which he 

 imitated American skyscrapers, like the Hotel Ukraina, for 

 example . 



My impression of the Russians is that they're not a 

 very handsome people, but they're very warm-hearted, nice 

 people, I think. I don't get the idea that they're cold, 

 stony-faced, grim, difficult at all. 



They do have a hard time getting clothes and getting 

 proper living quarters and things like that. They just 

 don't have many consumer goods. It's quite right [that] 

 there are lines in many of the food stores. The Gum 

 department store right on Red Square doesn't look exactly 

 like Robinson's. But it clearly has a lot of different 

 things to buy, lot of people shopping. 



I think of them as slightly pathetic, not really grim 

 or unpleasant at all, trying to live as best they can and 

 under rather difficult circumstances. 



Sharp: 

 Revelle : 

 Sharp: 

 Revelle; 



Sharp : 



Anyhow, we caught the airplane the next day for the 

 States from Moscow, after this lovely midnight scene of the 

 people wandering arm in arm down the square. 



The other meeting I remember was the London meeting. 

 What I remember specifically about that was that I met 

 Margaret Mead there, and became quite well acquainted with 

 her. Then later, of course, we worked together quite 

 intimately when I was chairman of the board of AAAS and she 

 was president. When I was president and she was president- 

 elect, and we were members of the board of directors of the 

 AAAS. [But we] first became good friends at that London 

 Pugwash meeting. 



I don't know if you ever met her or not. She always 

 walked with a stick like a shepherd's crook. 



I never met her, but I had seen her many times. 



When she was young she was apparently quite good looking. 



I've seen pictures, and she was. 



By the time I met her, she was quite a stocky, short, 

 middle-aged woman, [brief tape interruption] 



I didn't think these meetings were very productive as 

 far as ideas about development were concerned. 



Was some of it a matter of clearing the air of disagreements 

 among some of the nations? You mentioned the Egyptians 

 meeting the Israelis, and at least trying to explain 

 themselves to each other. 



Revelle : 



Yes. 



