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people who didn't think that was a good idea. Harrison 

 Brown, who was really the leader of our American group, 

 [helped us to] finally we arrive at some kind of a 

 compromise. It wasn't very satisfactory, but at least we 

 were able to adjourn the meeting. 



I can't really remember where that was, 

 have been at Udaipur. 



It couldn't 



Sharp: There weren't two there by any chance? One in the early 

 '60s, and then did you go back later on? 



Revelle: We didn't go back to Udaiphur. 



Anyhow, it was a very nasty meeting. After that the 

 Pugwash continuing committee decided they would not have a 

 conference report. The report would be issued by the 

 steering committee rather than the continuing committee, and 

 not try to get agreement among the conferees, the delegates 

 to the meeting. This was in a big hall. Sorry, I just 

 don ' t remember where it was . 



Sharp: We have several other issues to talk about, so I think we 

 need to push on a little, unless there are some other 

 comments about Pugwash. 



Revelle: 



Challenges of the Indian Education Commission, 1964-1966 



No, I don't think so, but I would like to say something 

 about the Education Commission. 



Sharp : 

 Revelle : 

 Sharp: 

 Revelle: 



That's next. 



Go ahead. 



The heart and soul of that commission was its secretary. 



Who was that? 



His name will pop into my head, but it isn't in my head 

 right now. He was a little Brahmin who had always fought 

 the British, had never been willing to take any income from 

 the government of India as long as it was run by the 

 British. He was from Puhar. A small man who always wore a 

 a sort of diaper thing that Indian peasants wear, and then a 

 blanket on top of that. 



He was as close to being a saint as any man I have 

 ever known. Not necessarily the best secretary, but I have 

 never seen anybody work longer and harder hours than he did. 

 He worked all the time. He, in effect, wrote the report for 

 the commission. 



The commission operated by meeting in Delhi and then 

 taking trips to different states. When I was there we went 

 to eastern Otarbadesh, particularly, where they had 

 something called the Bindares Hindu University and also the 

 Hindi Social Science, which was the place where Lai had 

 taken a degree in sociology. He was the prime minister at 

 the time . 



