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end. That is largely due to the fact that with the improved 
appliances and new methods of pound net fishing, the shad are 
taken before they get into fresh waters,—they are caught in the 
lower bays, in salt and brackish waters. States that propagate 
shad are powerless and the bureau is powerless because we can- 
not get the fish from which to get the eggs. For instance, at the 
mouth of the Susquehanna about 8.000,000 eggs were collected 
this year, where some seasons over 100,000,000 have been taken. 
That illustrates the conditions, which can only be corrected by 
federal control. 
Mr. Fullerton: That is the only salvation. 
Mr. Titcomb: Unless the millenium comes and all states 
co-operate. 
Mr. Fullerton: We will never get it. 
Mr. Clark: I rise to disagree with our friend Fullerton in 
the statement that the fisheries in the Great Lakes are decreas- 
ing. I do not believe it at all; the figures will show that in 
certain localities our fisheries are holding their own, if not in- 
creasing. 
In regard to the method of control, I do not entirely agree 
with Mr. Fullerton. However, [ not only fully agree with him 
on the license system, but I went on record regarding this sub- 
ject thirty years ago, and I have since been much interested in 
the movement. I would not only have a license system for the 
lakes, but for the rod, not only to create a revenue but that the 
offender may be recorded; I would rather have the penalty the 
revocation of the license than a fine of $25. You reyoke a man’s 
license for from one to six months and you have got him. 'There- 
fore | am in hearty sympathy with anything of this nature. I 
think that there should be vigorous and persistent enforcement 
of the laws regarding the catching of small fish and the pollution 
of the waters. If the sewage could be kept from the waters we 
would have a great many more fish. We know of localities where 
not only the feeding grounds but also the spawning grounds 
formerly sought by the whitefish have been covered up, thus 
driving the fish from their natural habitat. The Great Lakes in 
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