and most of us in the development of this National Oceanogr aphic 

 Program believe that a great deal more is going to be needed, both 

 for development and procurement, than we are spending now. We 

 do not know much about this yet. This particular meeting is really 

 the first step in informing not only Industry but ourselves of what 

 our job is ahead. 



So I think the amount we will budget will partly be determined 

 by improved communication between you people and those of us in 

 Government who are budgeting for the National Oceanographic 

 Program. 



I would also like to point out, however, that there is other 

 money in Government in various classified projects that are not 

 shown in the National Oceanographic Program. A considerable 

 sum of funds -- I have no idea how much -- will be spent for both 

 the development and procurement of such instruments. 



In summary, even though the sum for fiscal year 1962 is very 

 small, we have called this meeting together because we are planning 

 this important program. The more we get into it, the more it may 

 cost but exactly how much more will depend a little bit upon coop- 

 eration and communication and ideas from you people. It is diffi- 

 cult to say exactly how much it is going to cost or how nnuch the 

 Government is going to spend in this particular area, until we do 

 get some response as a result of this meeting from you as to the 

 cost of some of these items we are requesting. This is our first 

 step. 



MR. STERLING FISHER (Electro-Mechanical Research, Inc.): 

 Can you give me any concrete indication of the amount of money 

 which will be spent in oceanographic instrumentation in 1962 and 

 1963 or in successive years? 



THE CHAIRMAN: I believe that in 1962, the amount that will be 

 spent in development and procurement will be several million 

 dollars. In 1963, this will jump substantially and in 1964, I am 

 sure, it will jump again in perhaps some geometric ratio. 



I am not, of course, at liberty to discuss the fiscal 1963 

 budgets, but an examination of the TENOC Program of the Navy 

 and a knowledge of the developing of 10-year programs in the rest 

 of the Government Departments indicates that a considerable 

 portion of the Oceajiographic Budget, in the early phases of develop- 

 ing ships and laboratory facilities, will have to be spent in the 

 development of oceanographic instruments. 



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