to handle them and probably not even go to the officer level. 



MR. HERBERT W. BOMZER (Autometric Corporation): Research 

 and survey were discussed by Admiral Coates and Admiral Pierce, 

 respectively. What agencies have the funds and authority to con- 

 tract with Industry to do the jobs? Much of the work appears to be 

 Government "in house" effort. How much of the task is Industry 

 expected to undertake? For example, in surveys, in building 

 equipment, in installing and testing equipment, in gathering ex- 

 perimental data, and in analyzing the data and bringing it up to 

 date. 



REAR ADMIRAL C. PIERCE (USC&GS): From the present plans, 

 most of the data which were discussed today are going to be handled 

 by the Government. We have a National Oceanographic Data Center 

 in Washington, D. C. They are going to process this data. Ocean 

 survey ships are very expensive to build. I cannot see where the 

 average company would make much of a profit out of running a 

 survey ship, particularly at the rate of pay you would have to pay 

 your men today. The actual construction of winches and the instal- 

 lation of equipment, and so forth, will be done in shipyards or by 

 private industry, wherever you can get it done. I do not believe 

 there is any way you can estimate what proportion of this work is 

 going to be done by private enterprise. 



MR. H. W. DUBACH (NODC): We have just completed the second 

 revision of the oceanwide survey report for ICO. That report 

 roughly says, in line with the National Academy's report on nation- 

 wide surveys, that many ship dealers will be required to conduct 

 comprehensively and systematically the oceanwide survey. 



The National Academy has to make 280 to 300 ship units, 

 total. We came up with a figure of a total of 230 shipping units. 

 This means then, with the few oceanographic survey ships available 

 right now, I say if we assume the four we could put on station now, 

 it would take 60 years to do the job. One of the basic items in 

 the National Oceanographic Program is ocean knowledge, or, gross 

 survey of the ocean. We have to get adequate numibers of ships 

 surveying -- more than four. Naturally, you have to improve the 

 instrumentation. 



So any way you look at the problem, if we are going to get the 

 job done in a reasonable length of time, keeping in mind the nation- 

 al requirements in which national security or national defense has 

 priority, you have to increase the numbers of survey ships and re- 



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