DISCUSSION 
what to do about that. This is a practical issue of tremendous 
importance if this kind of discussion is to reach all the levels 
where it ought to be noticed. It is the technical judgment of 
time-scale of these considerations which is most important. 
Huxley: What we want is neither a very long-term nor a 
very short-term plan; but special attention should be paid to 
better education, which would involve only a one-generation 
lag. 
Comfort: I think it would be a great mistake for us to brief 
the Cabinet on these lines. I feel sure we could only put ideas 
into their heads! What we want to do is to brief the public 
before the Cabinet finds out more about science than it now 
knows, to enable the public to control the delinquent activities 
of the government in the future. 
Bronowski: Szent-Gyodrgyi implies by his list of private 
crimes and public virtues that our great need is to stop people 
who have had a classical education from reaching positions of 
power—lI draw this conclusion because, of course, the group 
virtues that the list represents are the values taught by a 
classical education ! 
Szent-Gyérgyt: Individual and group behaviour show a 
complete reversal. As members of our group we not only take 
life easily, we even give up life easily. All our individual 
reflexes serve to preserve our lives, but most of us are ready to 
die for our country. As individuals we try to enrich ourselves, 
but for our group we readily give up our belongings. We have 
two different, if not completely antagonistic, codes of behaviour. 
So when discussing evaluation we should always state which 
code we are using. 
Wright: Would you carry this principle right through, 
so that personal virtues would become, so to speak, public 
vices ? 
Szent-Gyérgyi: Yes, indeed. Refusal to kill, for instance, is 
one of the gravest offences in war. 
Koprowski: I wonder what right we have to assume, as a 
group, an attitude of superiority over our governments. If we 
are to be governed by somebody I am not sure that we should 
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