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pany's agent would get permission from the Government agent, and 

 the company agent would give orders to the chief. 



Q. In 1890 those natives who did this rookery hustling were paid 

 extra for that work. Was that payment by the lessees continued 

 by them to the end of their lease in 1909 ? — A. No. 



Q. Have you ever driven seals off from Sea Lion Rock so that the 

 company could get them? — A. No. 



Q. Have you regularly killed seals on Sea Lion Kock every year, 

 and that work done for the company so that it would get the skiiis ? — - 

 A. Just for food, anil the skins for the company. 



Q. Where have huUuschickie ever hauled on the islands where 

 they could not be secured for their skins ? — ^A. There is no such place. 

 They riiention one place at Zapadnie, but there are none there now. 



Q. Is there a single place on either island where they have ever 

 hauled in which you did not drive them off, if you could not kill 

 them there? — ^A. There is no such place. 



Q. You were ordered to drive the holluschickie off in 1890, when 

 Pr(>f. Elliott was here — did you st )p that driving at any time since, 

 when the seals hauled out? — ^A. They used to do it in the time of 

 the Alaska Commercial Company, but not now. 



Q. When a pup is newly born, what do you call it (June and 

 July) ? — ^A. A httle black pup. 



Q. Wlien a pup seal sheds its black hair, and puts on its gray coat, 

 w^hat do you call it then (October and November) ? — ^A. A little seal, 

 a gray pup — "cautig." 



Q. When the pups all leave the islands here, next November, 

 what do you call them when they come back here next year ? 



A. Small hoUuschack, small bachelors, or "malinkie hollus- 

 chickie." 



Q. Then when they come back as 2-year olds, the next year, do 

 you call them holluschickie (or bachelors) ? — ^A. Holluschickie or 

 bachelors — 2 year olds. 



Q. What is a "pol-seecatch," — is it a young 5-year-()ld male? — 

 A. A 5-year-old. 



Q. Why do the cows lay down so close to the surf now, on the 

 rookeries? — A. Because of the counting of them. They can not 

 make them stay in one place. 



Q. Do you remember, any oi you, how much higher they laid 

 above the" surf wash in 1874-1890? — A. There were plenty of them. 

 They could not count them. They laid up higher. 



Q. Wlien you drive up the holluschickie from near and close to 

 the cows, do you get cows in the drive? — ^A. (Answered as above.) 



Q. Can you tell a 2-year old cow from a 2-year old holluschak ? — 

 A. They all have the same kind of hair and look ahke. It is pretty 

 hard to tell them apart unless they pick them up and handle them. 



Q. Do you remember how the skins were "loaded" with blubber, 

 in ] 890 ?— A. Karp Buterin says he remembers it. 



Q. Have you skinned as much blubber from the seal ever since ?— 

 A. Yes. They put it on thick ever since. 



Q. Do you remember the orders in 1900 when all the little seals 

 were taken for the first time since the comnany began to take 

 them? — A. They do not remember. They had an epidemic. The 

 old men have died and the young men do not remember. 



