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Mr. Frblinghuysen. I was also a little surprised about your pros- 

 pect of underground cities off our shores. I would think it would 

 mean we would not benefit from the Florida sunshine if we had to go 

 under water. Of course, if you did that you would avoid the air 

 pollution. 



Mr. Rogers. We hope that you will come to Florida to go offshore 

 there. They are the most beautiful waters in the world. 



Mr. Frblinghuysen. I hope to come to Miami next year, but I do 

 not expect to go under water any longer than I can help. 



Mr. Fascell. If you would yield, at least you should bring your 

 aqua lung. 



Mr. Rogers. I predict the gentleman will be doing that in about 

 10 years, maybe even at Palm Beach when you come down there. 

 You will have dinner in a restaurant at Palm Beach under water. 

 May I say they already have one under Hawaii. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. I obviously should travel more, if I get the 

 opportunity. 



I should like to develop your concept of what the role of the United 

 Nations should be. As I understood your statement, you made a very 

 strong case for doing nothing that would interfere with what might 

 well be an aggressive develoi)ment program on the part of the United 

 States. You do not thereby mean that there is not any role for the 

 United Nations, for example, in determining, as between interests of 

 different countries, all of whom may have a claim, or several of whom 

 may have aggressive development programs, do you? 



\h. Rogers. Well, I think this: The law is already established 

 that we may do this if we have the capability of exploiting. I think 

 this is the law. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. As to any further developments with respect 

 to this 



Mr. Rogers. I think if you want to discuss some problems, the 

 United Nations can be helpful in discussions. But as to taking over 

 title of these sea bottoms, I would oppose that. 



There are many areas of international law that will continue to be 

 dominant in, for example, fishing, in the use of the sea, free passage, 

 many areas. But what we are directing our thoughts to is the Malta 

 resolution which would allow the United Nations to take those sea 

 bottoms. I just feel that this should not be done. It forecloses us. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. It is still not quite clear to me what explora- 

 tion our country might engage in, and what it would residt in. Would 

 this mean the development of sovereignty out as far as we were able 

 to exploit? Is that what you have in mind? 



Mr. Rogers. Yes, out to a midrange between nations. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. In other words, we would develop national 

 sovereignty as far as we could reach? 



Air. Rogers. I would hope we would extend the borders of this 

 Nation on the sea bottom, as such, as part of our national sovereignty 

 just as the Continental Shelf is to a certain area. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. Suppose as a definition of the national goals 

 to which you referred we decided we want all the imdersea waters to 

 the Azores, say, in the Atlantic. Suppose -we vranted to go out at 

 least as far as the Hawaiian Islands or ma3"be Okinawa in the Pacific. 

 Would we therefore stake a claim of some kind? Isn't this the kind of 



