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Mr. Rogers. They assume whoever finally gets the technique of 

 exploitation, it almost assumes that every nation can then do it. I 

 believe that is the assumption. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. Do you want me to yield? 



Mr. Fraser. Yes. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. Very well. 



Mr. Fraser. The dream of U.S. exploitation of agreement on the 

 mid-Atlantic, under this convention has evaporated because it would 

 permit the Atlantic to be under the possession of Bermuda, the 

 Azores, and the Canary Islands. 



Mr. Rogers. To the midpoint. 



Mr. Fraser. We could get out halfway to Bermuda and that would 

 end our jurisdiction. 



Mr. Rogers. Bermuda is only an island, I would point out. 



Ivlr. Fraser. Under your definition, this is the result. 



Mr. Rogers. You would have a radius from that island that would 

 go out. 



Mr. Fraser. What you do is you plot the points that are equi- 

 distant from both. 



Mr. Rogers. In some areas it will come in, in some it will go out. 



Mr. Fraser. Yes. But I think if you plot it out on the map and you 

 plot out the jurisdiction of the Azores and Bermuda you will find 

 that most of the mid-Atlantic has disappeared, that we have no rights. 



Mr. Rogers. I would not agree with you. 



Mr. Fraser. I have the map here if you would like to look at it. 

 This is what happens. 



Air. Rogers. I see the map over here on my right. 



Mr. Fraser. I am only trying to suggest that ths reliance on this 

 convention leads to results which I think you would regard as absurd. 



Mr. Rogers. No, I do not think so. I think this probably can serve 

 as a basis. 



Mr. Fraser. Now, Hawaii, if she should secede, she would take 

 control of the Pacific, or most of it, maybe midway to the Marianas. 



Mr. Rogers. Well, if it is the midway point. This is present law. 



Mr. Fraser. But it is law, of course, which contemplated a tech- 

 nology which only reached out a limited distance. Now you are sud- 

 denly saying this is quite satisfactory in view of a whole new dimension 

 of technological development. I am saymg most people would regard 

 the results as absurd. 



Mr. Rogers. I think most people have not thought of the capability 

 of what may happen. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. At least this discussion shows this is not a 

 simple problem and there might well be a need for some kind of arbi- 

 tration between competing national mterests. 



Mr. Rogers. No question about it. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. Are you acceptmg the fact that tnere might 

 be a need for the United Nations to serve as an umpire, a forum, or 

 even an adviser as to what might be done with respect to this? 



Mr. Rogers. I do not know that we have to have the United Nations 

 advise us on bilateral treaties. Do we? Or even midtilateral treaties. 

 I think this Nation is capable, and other nations are capable. 



Now, maybe the United Nations can make a contribution in the 

 way of suggestions. But I think this Nation is capable, with other 



