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Mr. Bascom. You must remember that I started in by saying tliat 

 I am here as managing director of a Swiss company. That count i*y 

 doesn't have anytliing at all out there. I am not worried about it. 



Mr. Gross. I didn't understand Mr. Bascom to say he was in favor 

 of internationalization. 



Mr. Bascom. What I said, I think, was that there is no reason to 

 change the present general treatment of the open seas but that if there 

 are uncertain points in this particuhir resolution that they should 

 be clarified. 



I wouldn't want to guess in advance what the result of that conven- 

 tion will be. 



Mr. Fascell. You are not fearful of the examination of the whole 

 problem? That is the point. 



Mr. Bascom. No, sir. 



Mr. Fascell. Gentlemen, we want to thank you very much for tak- 

 ing your time to be with us this morning to discuss this very fasci- 

 nating and important subject. 



Both of you have made a substantial contribution, not only to my 

 education, but to the record. For that I am very gi'ateful. 



Thank you very much. 



The subcommittee will now go into executive session. 



(Wliereupon, at 11 :28 a.m., the subcommittee proceeded into execu- 

 tive session.) 



EXECUTIVE SESSION 



Mr. Fascell. The subcommittee will come to order. 



We have with us this morning Mr. David H. Popper, Deputy As- 

 sistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs, who 

 is accompanied by Mr. Herman Pollack, Director of the Office of 

 International Scientific Affairs, and Mr. Gerald Helman, Office of 

 International Organization Affairs of the Department of State. They 

 are here to give us some information. 



Mr. Gross. Of what? The State Department? 



Mr. Fascell. Yes. 



STATEMENT OF HERMAN POLLACK, DIRECTOE, OFEICE OF INTEE- 

 NATIONAL SCIENTIFIC AFFAIRS, DEPARTMENT OF STATE 



Mr. Pollack. If I may open with a brief word. 



The Congressional initiative that resulted in the National Marine 

 Council establishment last year and the National Commission had 

 among its other products of intensified governmental activity the es- 

 tablishment by the Secretary of State of a Committee on International 

 Marine Policy. 



This was an international committee very large in scope. We had, I 

 think, a total of 15 different agencies represented on one or another of 

 its committees. 



We have been making a rather intensive review of this Govern- 

 ment's international involvements in various facets of the marine 

 sciences. We have been seeking guidelines with respect to future pos- 

 sibilities for international activity and cooperation in the oceans, and 

 we had anticipated and had been developing preliminary governmental 



