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When Tvoiild Ambassador Goldberg be making his initial inter- 

 vention? 



Mr. Popper. It might be sometime next week, Mr. Chairman. I am 

 not sure of the day. As I said, it might not cover the whole range of 

 things I have discussed. This is our fundamental approach to the 

 position this year. 



Mr. Fascell. This is your preliminary fundamental approach, all 

 of which you might not use and probably won't ? 



Mr. Popper. I think tliat is a fair statement. 



Mr. Fascell. [Security deletion.] 



Does anyone want to ask any questions, at this point? 



Mr. Gross. I was somewhat intrigued by Mr. Popper's opening 

 statement that he didn't know what Mr. Goldberg was going to say 

 for an opener at the United Nations meeting. 



Doesn't the State Department know what he is going to say on a 

 subject of this kind before he says it? Is his position cleared in the 

 State Department or is he on his own up there, free to say anything 

 he wants to ? 



Mr. Popper. No, sir; his statement will be cleared with us. We don't 

 have it yet. I don't know how much of the framework I have given 

 you will be included in it. This will depend, I think, on what his staff 

 finds out about the scope of this preliminary debate. 



Mr. Fascell. How about doing this for us, if I may intercede at 

 this point : At or about the time that the Ambassador is about to go to 

 that committee meeting and is carrying his speech with him, how 

 about sending a copy over to us so we can get one to Mr. Gross. 



Mr. Popper. As soon as we get a firm text we will be glad to send 

 it on. It may be at about the time he makes it. 



Mr. Fraser. I understand that goes right up to the wire ? 



Mr. Popper. I am sorry to say sometimes it does. 



Mr. Fascell. We understand that. It would be helpful if we could 

 have it. 



Mr. Fraser. What you said sounds very sensible to me. How does 

 that relate now to the Malta proposal ? That is to say, if I understand 

 the Malta proposal, it sets out some further general guidelines which 

 it urges the U.N. to consider, although I gather the guidelines are still 

 fairly general. 



Mr. Popper. They are. 



Mr. Fraser. This in a sense stops short of that. It doesn't take a 

 position on those guidelines but in effect says. This is the way we ought 

 to move to begin exploring these questions; we ought to create this 

 committee. 



I presume the problems of the ocean are sufficiently complex so you 

 may end up dealing with only one facet of it at a time, is that so? 



Mr. Popper. I think that is correct. [Security deletion.] 



Mr. Fascell. We don't foreclose any options by taking this pro- 

 cedural step. 



Mr. Fraser. I hope you will work very hard at this. I hope you can 

 do it in such a way so that people don't get concerned that we are 

 giving away some vital security interest, and thus increase tlie chance 

 of acceptance. I feel strongly about the need to keep working at wliat 



^ Sop Appendix, p. 277. for text of Ambassador Goldberg's statement, November S. 1907, 

 in Committee I at the U.N. 



