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I call the sense of international community. I think the world is kind 

 of coming apart at the seams. 



I hope the United States isn't going to be the one that is dragging 

 its feet. We have vital interests that we have to protect. If we don't, 

 it creates problems here when we try to ratify something. Keeping 

 that in mind I hope we are able to move. 



Mr. Popper. I think, Congressman, that the job of reconciling our 

 own interest and the general interest is not insuperable. We hope 

 and think 



Mr. Fraser. It is a matter of hard work sometimes. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. I have a quick question about the practicality 

 of cooperation in exploration and research. 



You started off by saying the Ambassador is going to lay the founda- 

 tion, that this is a desirable goal, and a committee should discuss prac- 

 tical ways in which this might be carried out. 



Is there much being done along those lines now? Also, if there 

 should be a sudden decision on the part of the U.N. that hereafter 

 exploration in the depths should only be done on an international 

 basis, might we not be hoisted on our own petard if we said we think 

 this should be an international effort? Isn't this possibly going to 

 limit the way in which as a practical matter these frontiers are going 

 to be examined? 



Mr. Popper. I wouldn't conceive it quite that way. Maybe when I 

 have made a couple of points Mr. Pollack may want to speak to this 

 question, because he is so familiar with the scientific aspects. 



I would conceive it to be somewhat on the model of the International 

 Geophysical Year where scientists getting together, block out areas 

 that need to be explored, and they try to allocate the jobs. 



Tha.t doesn't mean we wouldn't be free on our own to do additional 

 things in the field of science and exploration if we decided they should 

 be, but it does mean you would have a kind of rational division of 

 labor by agreement. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. Is that what happened in the Geophysical 

 Year? 



Mr. Popper. The Russian scientists did these things and ours did 

 these and others, and so on. 



Mr. Pollack. This was a typical pattern of oceanographic research. 

 It has been true in the Indian Ocean. 



Mr. Fascell. It is being done right now. It is nothing new. 



Mr. Pollack. That is correct. 



The ocean covers seven-tenths of the globe and for the most part 

 it is still unknown. 



Mr. Gross. Don't we know that ? That is well known, isn't it ? 



Mr. Pollack. Yes. 



Mr. Fraser. It is well known it isn't well known. 



Mr. Pollack. There is room for collaborative effort. 



Mr. Gross. Are the Russians engaged in this ? Do they have a ship 

 and an operation such as Mr. Bascom presented here this morning? 



Mr. Pollack. I am not sure, sir, what he represented. 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. Free enterprise. 



Mr. Gross. Of course. This is what I am getting at. Are you getting 

 ready in the United Nations to equip a ship and send it out ? Of course, 



