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the United States will pay the bill if you do. If this is the suggestion 

 and we go for it, we will finance the thing 



Mr. Pollack. We don't contemplate that the U.N. as such will per- 

 form any operation. We do contemplate that it will be a coordinating 

 body and we contemplate the Soviet Union would play a significant 

 role because they do have oceanographic research vessels. 



Mr. Gross. If you can duplicate what private enterprise is doing, 

 if Congress will supply the money, you will do it in the United Na- 

 tions, At least, you will try to do it. 



Mr. Fascell. This has nothing to do with the United Nations, Mr. 

 Gross, as far as the research is concerned. 



Mr. Gross. The State Department and through the State Depart- 

 ment up to the United Nations. 



Mr. Fascell. We are talking about the U.S. Government. We are 

 not talking about the United Nations. 



Mr. Gross. \^^ien we talk about Goldberg and his speech at the 

 United Nations on this subject 



Mr. Frelinghuysen. It is a question of whether or not the U.N. can 

 be useful in coordinating the various efforts that are being made, and 

 explore problems that still need exploration. 



Mr. Gross. If the United Nations can coordinate this, it will be the 

 first thing it ever did coordinate. 



Mr. RoYBAL. The makeup of the Committee on the Oceans is rather 

 indefinite. [Security deletion.] What are the guidelines that will be 

 used to set up this committee ? 



Mr. Popper. The normal guidelines for such a thing are fairly well 

 known through experience. First of all I am sure all the major mari- 

 time powers in the field would be included. 



Second, you would move toward the kind of general pattern that 

 reflects various regions and interests. So you get as broadly a repre- 

 sentative group as you can. 



Mr. RoYBAL. [Security deletion.] 



Mr. Fascell. I can't see any inhibition in what you have said here at 

 all or any reason for concern, frankly, at this point. It seems to me we 

 are taking a very tentative position with ample flexibility to keep every 

 option open. 



I think we need to stress again the point which Congressman Fraser 

 made, and that is to make this abundantly clear m the Halls of 

 Congress. 



Mr. Fascell. Once again let me express our thanks to you. We ap- 

 preciate your keeping us posted. At any time, if you will let us know, we 

 will be prepared to sit down with you and hear from you again. 



(Whereupon, at 12 :03 p.m., the subcommittee adjourned.) 



