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Mr. Fascell. What is the National Council on Marine Resources 

 and Engineering Development concerned with ? 



Dr. Cain". That is very new; authorized in the last session of the 

 89th Congress, and the National Marine Council, which was created 

 by that act, had its hrst meeting a year ago August. It has been meet- 

 ing approximately once a month since then. 



The Commission, the other body that was created by this act, I 

 think had its first meeting in January. Both of these organizations 

 have a limited lifetime according to the act that created them. The 

 division of labor between them is essentially that the Commission is 

 concerned with the organization of the Federal Government with 

 respect to its ocean interests, and the Council is primarily concerned 

 with the production of information about the conditions of the ocean 

 and the national interest in the oceans. 



The result is that the Council requested the establishment of, I 

 think, five committees which deal with different sectors of interest. 

 Four of these committees are fairly recent, having been established 

 about 2 months ago. One, on International Policy in Marine Science, 

 has been active since early May of this year. It is a very active 

 organization. 



In addition to its own committees, some of which have subpanels 

 or subcommittees, it has organized for assisting its efforts a series of 

 panels of non-Government scientists, people from industry, and so 

 on, to help them appraise the present situation in Government and 

 to advise the directions in which we should go. This body can initiate 

 and make recommendations with respect to Federal action in the 

 marine field. 



Mr. Fascell. The International Subcommittee of the Council; is 

 that the one headed by Mr. Kohler ? 



Dr. Cain. Yes. 



Mr. Fascell. He is also chairman of the interdepartment coimnit- 

 tee, or is that one and the same thing ? 



Dr. Cain. I think they are the same. 



Mr. Fascell. That is concerned with international policy ? 



Dr. Cain. Yes. It has been called the Ad Hoc Committee on Inter- 

 national Policy in Marine Science. Mr. Kohler is the Chairman of 

 that. There is membership on that by probably a dozen agencies of 

 Government, including Interior. 



Mr. Fascell. Dr. Cain, what do you see as the relationship, if any, 

 between the studies and the research which would be carried out by 

 the Commission and the Council ? Am I correct that the Commission 

 concerns itself with the study and the Council with the structure? 



Dr. Cain. It is the other way around. 



Mr. Fascell. I understand. 



What relationship, if any, do you see between the studies being 

 conducted by the United States and the study which is underway now 

 at the United Nations ? 



Dr. Cain. The National Marine Council and Commission and its 

 staff are directed toward the American interest. The American interest 

 comes into relation to the international organizations which already 

 exist or which miffht be created. 



