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particularly with respect to the ability to forecast, usefully forecast 

 from their knowledge of the physical conditions of the sea some con- 

 sequences that would be of interest obviously in weather forecasting, of 

 interest to shipping or any other relationship of the sea. 



So scientifically one can say tliey are primarily involved in the inter- 

 actions between tJie oceans and the atmosphere and the consequences of 

 these interactions physically and what can be forecast from them. 



I hope my description of ESSA is compatible with your own descrip- 

 tions. 



Mr. Fascell. If it isn't we will give j^ou a chance to correct it. 



Are there any other departments, bureaus, agencies, commissions, 

 committees or subdivisions thereof that are involved in this area that 

 we haven't discussed ? 



Dr. Cain. Yes, indeed. The National Marine Council recently formed 

 a Committee on Multiple Use of the Coastal Zone. This is coastline 

 interior, estuaries, and external to that of the continental shelf for 

 an undefined distance. 



This is the zone of the seashore and contiguous waters and seabed sea- 

 ward and the waters and land interior that are generally called 

 estuaries. 



When this was formed any of the agencies that have membership on 

 the National Marine Council or have observers on them that have an 

 interest in this could have membership on the Multiple Use of the 

 Costal Zone Committee. 



There are 13 agencies of Government that felt sufficiently interested. 

 This includes the Maritime Administration. It includes the Depart- 

 ment of Defense which in this case agreed that the Corps of Engineers 

 would be responsible on this committee not only for Arm}' interests 

 but for Navy or any other defense interests. It includes the Department 

 of Transportation. It includes Interior, of course ; the Atomic Energy 

 Commission ; the National Science Foundation ; the Smithsonian Insti- 

 tution. Almost everybody but Agriculture is on it. 



I can give you the details on that if you would like. 



The point is that — let me compare it this way, Mr. Fascell — a while 

 ago we were talking about the very broad interest of Interior in the 

 oceans, we having nine bureaus. Our problem in Interior is very 

 similar to others in Government, how do you organize and carry on 

 your national interests in the oceans. 



This is one of the things, the central thing that is involved in the 

 Marine Act which set up the Council and Commission : How does the 

 Federal Government organize itself for effective use of the sea ? 



Obviously, as I just said, the Navy is interested, the Corps of Engi- 

 neers because they have vast operations in the coastal zone. Trans- 

 portation is interested. Interior we have described. It is a very broad 

 coverage. 



Mr. Fascell. Has the Ad Hoc International Policy Subcommittee 

 been meeting as you say, about once a month since May? 



Dr. Cain. I think that is about right. It has panels or subcom- 

 mittees which have met often. There are six of those. 



Mr, Fascell. Has this committee arrived at any policy decision? 



Dr. Cain. There has been a position taken with respect to the Malta 

 proposal, for example. 



