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Mr. Frelinghuysen. In other words, would an individual nation 

 which acquires the knowledge or a group that acquires the knowledge, 

 still maintain a national interest in the asset ? Or will it be an interna- 

 tional interest ? 



Dr. Cain. There is nothing in the research proposal that endeavors 

 to determine who shall take advantage of knowledge that would be 

 gained or how it should be done or how it should be restricted or not 

 restricted. 



This doesn't come to that point, although it does say, in effect, as I 

 understand it, that research is for the purpose of human welfare. It 

 is to be applied, this information is to be applied. But it doesn't dete^r- 

 mine who, where, or how it shall be applied. It doesn't try to do this. 



Mr. Fascell. Before it gets too late, Dr. Cain, let's see if we can 

 finish with the remainder of the present policy position. You have 

 covered two points so far. 



Mr. Fulton. Could I have a short question ? 



Mr. Fascell. Yes, Mr. Fulton. 



Mr. Fulton. Who is really behind this particular proposal ? Where 

 in Government has it been initiated ? 



Mr. Fascell. Which one ? 



Mr. Fulton. The proposal on the ocean bed. 



Take the general principle of the United Nations or some interna- 

 tional body either having research and development in the ocean bed 

 or as has been said here "the application." Wliere has that arisen? Is 

 it within our Government ? Is it without the Government, in the pri- 

 vate sector of the United States, or is it abroad? What organization 

 is the pusher ? How has this happened ? 



Mr. Fascell. Dr. Cain, it would seem to me that you might take it in 

 two parts ; first, the Malta proposal, and then the research program. 



Mr. Fulton. Instead of going into that, you can put a statement in 

 the record. 



(The information requested follows:) 



Statement of Proposed Eesearch Program and Proposed U.N. Committee 



As a result of proposed actions by other nations in the 22d U.N. General 

 Assembly, Mr. Herman Pollack, Director, International Scientific and Techno- 

 logical Affairs, Department of State, acting as the Chairman of the Ad Hoc Com- 

 mittee on International Policy in the Marine Sciences surfaced for study and 

 the development of recommendations to the Ad Hoc Committee on a cooperative 

 international research program. Greater knowledge of the seabed and subsoil is 

 needed in the interest of utilization of its resources. 



Also surfaced by the Ad Hoc Committee was the proposal for the establishment 

 of a Committee on the Oceans to consider questions raised in the General 

 Assembly. 



Mr. Fulton. The second point is on historic waters and historic 

 rights. I wish you would put a statement in the record as to how it 

 would affect that area. 



Dr. Cain. Historic rights ? 



Mr. Fulton. Yes, and certain waters that do not have within them 

 the idea of sovereignty or ownership. 



Mr. Fascell. Historic fishing rights, is that what you mean ? 



Mr. Fulton. Any kind 



Mr. Fascell. Any kind of historic right ? 



Mr. Fulton. Yes. 



