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Under no circumstances, we believe, must we ever allow the prospects of rich 

 harvests and mineral wealth to create a new form of coloniiil competition among 

 the maritime nations. We must be careful to avoid a race to grab and to hold 

 the lands under the high seas. We must ensure that the deep seas and the ocean 

 bottoms are, and remain, a legacy of all human beings. 



I would then go on to comment that when issues are under study or 

 positions in committees of Government or otherwise, and Interior par- 

 ticipates, we participate properly in our technical competence with 

 respect to resources, to research, to the measures to accomplish con- 

 servation. If it is a governmental policy question we can talk about the 

 consequences of this but we cannot determine that policy and shouldn't 

 try to. 



Your questioning is leading up to really the question of where the 

 authority in foreign policy resides. This is a question where I see what 

 happens but it isn't a question that I am an expert to comment on. 



Mr. Fascell. Without trying to get into that, we recognize of 

 course there are many facets to the formulation of foreign policy and 

 Interior has its role to play. 



As I understand it at this jimcture, the two points which you have 

 discussed are the only positions as far as the United States is con- 

 cerned on the international question ? 



Dr. Cain. They have made it very clear that they will not approve 

 and will resist the Malta proposal. As a substitute they have a positive 

 proposal for a committee of the General Assembly, a Committee on 

 the Oceans, the exact parameters of wliich are not completely defined. 

 It probably will be a function of the United Nations to produce a more 

 precise frame of reference and guidelines in their discussions. 



Mr. Fascell. The third point is the research program. 



Dr. Cain. If formed, to it would be referred the questions raised by 

 the Malta proposal. 



Mr. Fascell. This gets back to a kind of fundamental question. 



Since the Committee of the National Marine Council had no hand 

 in formulating any of these three points 



Dr. Cain. This isn't quite so. Tliese points that have been discussed 

 in this Ad Hoc Committee on International Policy in the Marine 

 Sciences 



Mr. Fascell. The Council itself has made no recommendations one 

 way or the other? At least that is what I miderstood your statement 

 to be. 



Dr. Cain. The position taken by the Ad Hoc Committee would 

 be a policy position to guide Ambassador Goldberg in tlie United Na- 

 tions in these discussions — subject of course to furtTier policy guidance 

 as time goes on — what I said was that did not move from tlie Committee 

 to the Council itself. 



Mr. Fascell. Where did it go? I am still at a loss. What I need to 

 know is did the Ad Hoc Committee make a recommendation with 

 respect to these three items, and if so, to whom did they make the 

 recommendation ? 



Dr. Cain. They made a recommendation by State Department 

 action. 



Mr. Fascell. I am sorry, I don't quite understand. 



Dr. Cain. There is a policy position taken by State Department 

 action. 



